Will you adopt wayland or avoid it.
 

With X11 being dormant and Wayland making huge progressions, how are you planning to deal with it?

GNOME and Plamsa are already defaulting towards wayland.
For those who don't like big bloated desktops, wlroots is going mainstream as well with Sway as its poster child.

Right now, Wayland is pretty much feature complete.
Are you using it?
What do or don't you like?

Comments appreciated.

I've attempted to adopt it multiple times, and keep having to revert to xoeg. Just too much doesn't work in it still (plasma) to be able to use it without issues.

Do you mind sharing your issues?
Using both Plasma and mostly wlroots/Sway, I'm pretty much at the point where I could just drop any non wayland application.

For my usage thus far I've only tried it in Gnome on Debian.

Thus far...

Video acceleration with Wine doesn't work at all it seems at the moment.
Kodi doesn't allow me to choose which monitor I want it on when I was using a multi screen setup. When it does let me select it reverts back the default each time.
I've had a few copy paste things that haven't worked at all depending on the program. I think that is a Wayland issue. Not sure what controls that stuff.
I can't think of any specifics but I do know I had all kinds of other annoyances with various things that disappeared when I switched back to Xorg.

What I do know is that these issues simply don't exist on Xorg. Feature complete is a matter of perspective. For now it simply cannot replace what I need from Xorg. Wayland is effectively broken for my daily usage.

*EDIT* The Wine issue is the biggest for me. If that can be sorted I would switch. I don't like to hold on to the "old way" so to speak if I don't need to. But I like my gaming time and it's borderline not optional.

"Video acceleration with Wine doesn't work at all it seems at the moment."
It does.
Either native or xwayaland, both are a huge step up.

"Kodi doesn't allow me to choose which monitor I want it on when I was using a multi screen setup."
Thanks. These are kind of glitches I am looking for. Should be easy to fix.

"I've had a few copy paste things that haven't worked at all depending on the program. I think that is a Wayland issue."
Correct. You'll need wayland strict alternatives for this.

"Wayland is effectively broken for my daily usage."
Hence why I'm asking this.
Wayland is the way forwards though it's still a bit rough.
Bare in mind that it does come with needed functionality as well ;;)

Ksnip shortcuts not compatible with Wayland, so I can't do screenshots when running Wayland (spectacle far inferior to ksnip IMO).

Steam games that have hold the mouse button and move mouse to change camera angle don't turn smoothly, rather jump to random camera angles violently. Meaning I can never see anything in most of the games I actually play (Steam installed via flatpak if it makes a difference).

Touchscreen for plasma in Wayland there is no way to right click outside a few individual applications.

Windows do NOT remember their placement properly like in Xorg.

Those are the big things that really keep me from being able to use it.

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*EDIT* The Wine issue is the biggest for me. If that can be sorted I would switch. I don't like to hold on to the "old way" so to speak if I don't need to. But I like my gaming time and it's borderline not optional.[/QUOTE]

Please note that X11/xwayland actually benefits from wayland (Steam Deck being a prime example).
As for native wine:
https://www.collabora.com/news-and-b...st-update.html

Gotcha.
Those are all small issues that don't require much effort (unlike what was needed in the past).

Keep your complaints coming :)

No.
By that I mean, neither one.

On my Pinebook Pro (PBP) I have both and can start either when I wish and run Plasma on top. I find I generally prefer X.Org, but that may change at any update. I am not adopting or avoiding anything, I want it ALL!

Apologies if i made it look as if wayland is replacing X11.
Wayland is only a protocol (needing compositors like wlroots) and not replacing anything (hence why xwayland is still needed).

Anyway.
For those still running ancient X11, Keep adding bug reports and don't be shy about asking help. Wayland is currently our only path forwards and would highly benefit from mainstream adoption.
Since many peeps think it some weird GNOME or PLASMA thing, wlroots is multi-platform and available in all big distros (having Sway as it's poster child).

https://wiki.debian.org/Wayland
https://wiki.debian.org/sway

BTW, I don't use Arch.

I'm using Sway on Ubuntu 22.04 on a Dell i3 laptop with integrated graphics & 8 GB RAM.

`ly` is the login manager. I had to follow the installation process from ly's github page because Debian doesn't package it.

Debian doesn't provide `mako` either, so I'll try `dunst`.

For some reason, the swaynag bar looks like something from a horror movie. My attempts to get it to use colors I have in ~/.swaynag/config or ~/.config/swaynag/config haven't worked.

I wish Sway had the type of magnifier that KDE Plasma provides.

Re. screenshots, I'm all set but I'll try the AppImage of KSnip for annotations & cropping. (I use KSnip on my other machine running Kubuntu 20.04.)

Re. launchers, fzf does all I want. No need for wofi, bemenu, etc.

Re. xwayland, I need it. I use vim, xterm, ranger, brave-browser and maybe some other X11 stuff.

I use waybar as a vertical panel because that's what I'm used to !!!

X11 is non longer developed by Linux, because Linux loves fancy new businesses. This is how all it works. Fancy, new shinning softwares and techs (usually non needed).

Big Money:
1.) Suppress X11 Dev / Xorg from most Linux

2.) Oblige Users to use Wayland

3.) Who care about users. We Get Rich ;)


BSD has NOT this kind of strategy. They maintain what works well.

Wayland surely is the way forward, but there's no hurry.
And X11/Xorg certainly is Not Dormant.
Starting your thread with such a hyperbolic remark is disqualifying.

... you mean backward ?

Looking at systemd is the best example
NetFlix today is freebsd.

FreeBSD took over much markets.