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Old 03-09-2017, 11:07 AM   #31
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Yeah, of course. There are countless ways the CIA could have gotten it, but any scenario I imagine where they are unable to get it just seems absurd.

The point is that the new info from Wikileaks doesn't change the probabilities of the election being hacked/manipulated/whatever by Russians/CIA/whomever.
Well I am less likely to believe that the Russians had anything to do with the elections. At this point given the track record of our 'benevolent' and 'trustworthy' government, that never got us into any wars on false pretenses - it had to be the Russians......Yea , right .

This belief is dangerous, but now I feel like I have to bring up the boy who cried wolf too many times because now if there were some kind of legitimate threat, it would be hard to believe, because the very people/agencies that were supposed to work on our behalf and benefit has clearly squandered our trust. Their actions in one way or another will get us all killed. Say 100% of the public went along with the so-called Russian hack narrative, then things would escalate and nobody would oppose it. I would still, I mean call me crazy, but uh I don't really want this country to pick a fight with another former nuclear power (that is slowly rising). I still find it disturbing, and see it as a dangerous assumption that there are those in the west, who believe that Russia is a mere former shell of herself - and is a pushover with crumbling Soviet era weaponry. If I am the only one who sees the stupidity and danger in that kind of thought process, then I must be the crazy one or something. It would behoove those who value their very existence not to get caught up in this Neo-Mccarythism, it is dangerous - this is not another pushover country like Iraq.


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The Democrats are still smarting over the fact that "their candidate lost, and lost badly." I'm afraid that they'd like nothing more than to somehow "declare" that the election results were somehow "wrong," declare a state of emergency and a "provisional government," remove Trump by cabal and install the person who "of course, should have won": "Madame President!"



But, "it ain't gonna happen, folks."

It's your own damned fault for creating election machines that did not have a paper trail, but it's also a simple fact that plenty of precincts and plenty of States did not use paperless equipment. And it's also an immutable fact that the election results map was "a sea of red." Hillary won some of the most-populous States, but the voting in a Presidential election is by State, with the voters in each state effectively voting among and against themselves in the "first tier" to decide the allocation of votes in the (Electoral College) "second tier." And this election wasn't even close.

The people of the US wanted change, and that's exactly what they've got.

The notion of "a President who speaks to Russia, and/or is spoken-to by Russia," is an anathema to the Cold War mentality that still drives the "Military-Industrial Complex" which feeds Washington so many illicit paychecks. Of course they will feed Trump bills to sign that would burn relations with Russia, so that we can have our kids "Duck and Cover" in their classrooms just like the good ol' days. But I'm quite sure he's too smart to sign them.

And, quite frankly, "what about Vladimir Putin?" He's been around this block a l-o-n-g time. Knows precisely what some people in Washington, DC think of him. But, all in all a very seasoned politician from an entirely different national culture. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to tell you that some people in Washington are trying to play Russia like an accordion. But, that doesn't mean that Russia has to take the bait. "This is not their first tango."
Again, I am looking at this as self preservation. These idiots from our very own government have such a lust for war that they are willing to do anything. Now that the US has pretty much strategically placed itself all over, it seems like a good idea to try to pick a fight with a sleeping nuclear power, I mean what could possibly go wrong there right? Russia is in no real position, they are a shell of what they used to be........ History question - remember that uh major conflict last century? Y'know, when that Hitler guy decided to attack the evil Soviets - effectively tearing up the pact with Stalin? After all, they were just a backward technologically inferior country compared to the 'ubermensch' Nazis...........Until the populace pretty much put aside the atrocities of Stalin, 'for the Motherland.?' - And you pretty much saw an uprising of such industrial scale never before seen? Mass production of new tanks (T-34s) , weaponry, artillery, planes, whatever. Remember near the end of the war the Russians were poised to take all of Germany just by sheer number of soldiers, majority literally were killed because it was just suicide missions, just to gain even another block and don't think they would have sent more to their death to gain even more.

Whats the point? Well, remember back then Russia wasn't even a recongised power of any kind - and now you have these idiots that would like to 'poke the proverbial bear, from her slumber', and not taking into account this time she has nuclear weapons? Or maybe they do know this and do not care because they will be safe in a bunker, while we the suckers die. Again, call me crazy but I don't feel like having any sort of confrontation with such a country, do you?

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"That's right! That's right! So the wrong candidate won! Y'see, it was those damned Russians!"

("Those damned Russians" are the perfect political bogey-man. Why, if they ever saw that the President wasn't accompanied by a "nuclear football," surely they'd launch those ICBM's right away!)

Therefore, let's stage a nice palace coup d'etat, remove Trump (while arresting him for something), and install Hillary, so she can double NAFTA, beg the Chinese to bring back the TPP, and do "all the right things for America!" (According to the Dems, of course.)

(Sigh ...)

- - - - -

Let this be a lesson to everyone in data processing: "we should have seen this coming from day one, when 'paperless voting machines' were first proposed." And, quite a few of us did so. After all, if you don't get a receipt at the burger joint, you usually get a free hamburger next time. But, "not so when you vote," at least in those places that wholeheartedly adopted those machines. (Note: "but a great many states and precincts did not.")

In those places, therefore, "howls of protest that the election was rigged" instantly started, just as soon as certain powers-that-be were confronted by the fact that their candidate did not win.

I remember that Trump himself commented that, had the election gone the other way and it was his camp saying such things, "they would have just called us all 'conspiracy theorists.'" Well put.

Nevertheless, this is a compelling case for the need for "warehouses full of paper," coupled with procedures to prevent debacles like "hanging chads." You can install equipment that takes a rapid count by scanning (and error-checking) ballots as they are inserted into the box, but, by gawd, you'd better have that box! While you can use computers to rapid-count the votes, the votes themselves must be committed to a permanent medium (paper ...) that cannot be tampered with by any computer anywhere.
Again, I am going to reiterate from all this - at this point we shouldn't even give any sort of validity or credibility to what we are told of other foreign states. If the CIA does indeed have such abilities for such false flags - it will be the death of us all. Like I stated this has cost them such credibility that now if there were ever a legit threat (pray to your preferred deity that there isn't) - it is because most will now conclude it is just the CIA again planting fingerprints.

What the rest of the US populace needs to be made aware of (which I am hoping most are now) is that this kind of shenanigans have been carried out by our 'benevolent' state in other nations, now it is attempting the same thing on it's own population - because yes, the people dared to choose the wrong candidate and something has to be done about it.


Speaking of paper trails:
Mouthy Buddha - Did Obama Leave A Paper Trail?
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I dive into the topic of wire taps, Obamas ethical commitments, vault 7, and attempt to figure out what the best plausible answers are to all of these damn questions.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-39221421

Wikileaks is offering tech firms CIA files first

Technology firms will get "exclusive access" to details of the CIA's cyber-warfare programme, Wikileaks has said.
https://www.rt.com/usa/380010-wikile...-leaks-vault7/


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https://www.rt.com/usa/380010-wikile...-leaks-vault7/

China urges US to stop hacking other countries following Vault 7 release

WikiLeaks will give tech companies which suffered "billions of dollars of damage" when hacked by the CIA "exclusive access" to its technical expertise, founder Julian Assange revealed at a press conference.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39210628

FBI and CIA launch criminal investigation into 'malware leaks'

US federal agencies have launched a criminal investigation into the public release of documents said to detail CIA hacking tools, US officials say.

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Old 03-09-2017, 12:13 PM   #32
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Lionel Nation - CIA and NSA Have Been Listening to You for Decades: Here's How and Why
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WikiLeaks and Vault 7 provide an opportunity for you, the citizen, to learn up close and personal what governments have done and are doing to you through enlisting apparatchiks, cronies and confederates to cull and capture and vacuum metadata to be used for algorithm compilation, predictive policing à law Minority Report, blatant and naked commerce and the subjugation of your freedom(s). Listen carefully to this.
He just posted this, and just echoed some of my own points about pretty much 'framing' another state(crying wolf). Yes, another long video, but again offers good analysis IMO.

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This is an interesting analysis from Sargon of Akkad:

Year Zero: The First #Vault7 Leak
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We have seen 1% of the Vault 7 documents and we already know the CIA has an omniscient digital eye.

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Old 03-09-2017, 04:44 PM   #33
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RT - 'Double standards': CIA leaks don't stir MSM, Russia stays in spotlight
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The White House has accused the media of 'double standards' after largely ignoring revelations the CIA can frame other countries for hacking. Wikileaks' latest file dump shows the American intelligence chiefs could have used Russian malware to make it look like Moscow was behind cyber-attacks during the U.S. presidential election. Wikileaks has promised more revelations saying this first file-dump is just 1% of the total. With some saying the information could play into Russia's hand as RT's Polly Boiko reports.

Don't listen to them though, we all know CNN has it all correct. Its all Russia.......Somehow......Because, CIA says so......

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Lionel: WikiLeaks Vault 7 Shows That Trump Is Not Crazy | The CIA Spies On Everybody

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Old 03-09-2017, 05:29 PM   #34
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H.A. Goodman - VAULT 7 PART 2 COMING SOON: WikiLeaks Julian Assange Explains How CIA Lost Its Hacking Tools

Will be downloading the torrent when it comes out as well .

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https://www.rt.com/usa/380047-cia-wi...7-cyberspying/

‘Not exactly a bastion of truth’: CIA hits back at Assange after WikiLeaks #Vault7 release

The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) has responded to explosive allegations by WikiLeaks about the agency’s use of US “cyber weapons” by calling into question the integrity of the whistleblowing website’s co-founder.

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Old 03-10-2017, 09:27 AM   #35
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RT Crosstalk - Vault 7
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Published on Mar 10, 2017

Wikileaks strikes again. On full display are the CIA’s spy tools and methods. Snowden provided a briefing book on U.S. surveillance, but the CIA leaks could provide the blueprints. And your Samsung TV and iPhone are a big part of this.
CrossTalking with Larry Johnson, Suzanne Nossel, and Patrick Henningsen.

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Old 03-10-2017, 10:44 AM   #36
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styxhexenhammer666 - New York Times Supports Espionage and Mass Surveillance, Slaps Family Friendly Terms on It

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http://archive.is/QwRmU

The relationship between a new president and the intelligence agencies that serve him can be difficult in the best of times. But it’s hard to imagine a more turbulent transition than the current one, which has been marred by assertions that the administration has tried to both politicize and marginalize intelligence gathering.
 
Old 03-10-2017, 02:18 PM   #37
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The Britisher - Some thoughts on Surveillance
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Published on Mar 10, 2017

A few thoughts about surveillance in light of the recent Wikileaks Vault 7 revelations regarding the CIA.
 
Old 03-11-2017, 04:45 PM   #39
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101 Facts About The CIA

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H.A. Goodman - OBAMA WIRETAPPED DENNIS KUCINICH BEFORE TRUMP: Kucinich Wiretapped Under Obama Administration

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Old 03-12-2017, 04:49 PM   #41
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Dark5 - 5 Vault 7 CIA Secrets Revealed by WikiLeaks

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H.A. Goodman - TRUMP GIVING CONGRESS OBAMA WIRETAP EVIDENCE: Obama Spied on Trump Team to Justify Clinton's Loss
H.A. Goodman - WIRETAP CONGRESSIONAL PROBE LEADS TO TRUMP ON TAPE: Obama Spied On Trump Found Nothing

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Old 03-12-2017, 09:35 PM   #42
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Leave us not forget that, within days of the 9/11 attacks, the PATRIOT Act appeared. Although it was many hundreds of pages long, it was miraculously ready to be signed, and of course it was passed by a frightened Congress and signed into law by the President. We were all supposed to "breathe a sigh of relief" ...

... not, "smell a rat."

("Y'know, they could not possibly have 'just started writing this thing' a month ago ...")

History should have told us long ago to be wary of people who seem "strangely prepared" for a "sudden" calamity, and to be fearful of "emergency" legislation that is passed on the wake of a sudden surprise threat. Even the bills that swept Adolf Hitler into power were such "emergency" measures, passed after the Reichstag fire and the ensuing accusation of "Communists." History is fairly dripping with such lessons.

Aye ... dripping with blood.

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Old 03-12-2017, 09:53 PM   #43
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Leave us not forget that, within days of the 9/11 attacks, the PATRIOT Act appeared. Although it was many hundreds of pages long, it was miraculously ready to be signed, and of course it was passed by a frightened Congress and signed into law by the President. We were all supposed to "breathe a sigh of relief" ...
And if one wanted to KNOW what was in the Patriot Act - Pelosi might have stated that it has to be signed first before anyone can know what it holds - why she is still in government is beyond me.

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History should have told us long ago to be wary of people who seem "strangely prepared" for a "sudden" calamity, and to be fearful of "emergency" legislation that is passed on the wake of a sudden surprise threat. Even the bills that swept Adolf Hitler into power were such "emergency" measures, passed after the Reichstag fire and the ensuing accusation of "Communists." History is fairly dripping with such lessons.

Aye ... dripping with blood.
A classic tactic out of Orwell's 1984, though when Hitler initiated nobody had any clue until 1984 was published in 1949.
 
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RT America - ‘There are no secrets in this world’ – John McAfee
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Published on Mar 9, 2017

WikiLeaks’ Vault 7 “Year Zero” release exposed the CIA’s extreme vulnerability as well as ordinary Americans’ susceptibility to internal surveillance. Cybersecurity expert John McAfee joins “News with Ed” to share his peerless expertise on the revelations and what they tell us about the Trump administration’s alleged connections with Russia and MSM claims of Russian meddling in the 2016 election.
RT Sophie & Co - US-Russia thaw depends on whether Trump has guts to go against establishment - Reagan's Adviser
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Published on Mar 13, 2017

The Cold War has long been over, but it seems, not for all. The idea of reconciling with Russia has been met by fierce resistance on Capitol Hill. Though Trump promised to repair broken relations while on the campaign trail, the new US administration has been forced into a struggle against the nation’s establishment. Will the new president still be able to find common ground with Moscow? Or are we in for Cold War Two? We ask a former adviser to President Ronald Reagan on Russian affairs, Russia scholar and author – Suzanne Massie.
Well, Trump may have a better chance now since practically the hacking narrative has been pulled apart. Now things get more interesting since Trump further claims he was wire tapped by his predecessor - and again the continual refusal for the dems to allow FBI access to the servers, but lets just take their word it was Russia that hacked them, k..

H.A. Goodman - TRUMP WIRETAP EVIDENCE CONSISTS OF OBAMA SPYING ON TRUMP'S TEAM: Trump On Tape With Team
 
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Those pesky Millennials...

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Former CIA Director Blames Millennials For WikiLeaks Vault 7 Leak

Recently, Michael Hayden, the former director of the CIA claimed in an interview with the BBC that millennials are for the most part at fault for the Wikileaks Vault 7 leak of classified documentation.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKVYdXQTkiI

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