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Old 03-08-2017, 11:46 AM   #16
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CIA should just stick with what its good at - drug trafficking - because all this gathered intelligence is not targeted to keep us safe anyways, and is cleared used by the upper echelon of government to spy not just on the populace as a whole, but now obviously used for political ends. Whats to stop Trump from doing the exact same thing now on the next elections?

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H.A. Goodman - CIA HACKS INTO CARS WIKILEAKS VAULT 7 PART 1: CIA Might Have Hacked Michael Hasting's Car

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Old 03-08-2017, 12:42 PM   #17
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WikiLeaks says just 1% of #Vault7 covert documents released so far

WikiLeaks’ data dump on Tuesday accounted for less than one percent of ‘Vault 7’, a collection of leaked CIA documents which revealed the extent of its hacking capabilities, the whistleblowing organization has claimed on Twitter.
Well, I would like to see how the MSM will try to ignore all this as much as possible. "Those damned Russians, how dare they embarrass us like this...."
 
Old 03-08-2017, 03:22 PM   #18
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RT - Vault 7 CIA leaks: Frankfurt hacking base, ‘Pocket Putin’, spying TVs and more from WikiLeaks

If these revelations are true, then the Russian hacking narrative of the elections would be confirmed false since the CIA staged it. I can't wait to see more damage control.
 
Old 03-08-2017, 04:27 PM   #19
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RT - New anti-Russia bill is ‘stupid, uninformed politics’ – ex-State Dept official
 
Old 03-08-2017, 06:43 PM   #20
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If these revelations are true, then the Russian hacking narrative of the elections would be confirmed false since the CIA staged it.
Huh? The new info only shows that the CIA is capable of staging, not that they have. And it was already pretty obvious that they were capable of it.

(Haven't watched the video, but) An anti-Russia might be smart politics for Trump: if he signs such a bill, it will be harder for people to criticize him for being "too friendly" with Russia.
 
Old 03-08-2017, 07:10 PM   #21
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The point is, all these modern devices are subject to hacking, from every side. Sadly Android seems to be the least secure.

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Old 03-08-2017, 08:28 PM   #22
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Huh? The new info only shows that the CIA is capable of staging, not that they have. And it was already pretty obvious that they were capable of it.
If they did get a hold of Russian malware, then they could theoretically make it look like the Russians were responsible. There is no evidence of that, yet I am leaning towards the wikileaks revelations as more truthful obviously, rather than the whining of the dems how Russia stole the election for Trump.

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(Haven't watched the video, but) An anti-Russia might be smart politics for Trump: if he signs such a bill, it will be harder for people to criticize him for being "too friendly" with Russia.
He is not in a good position, if he takes a hard line it will just keep a cold war atmosphere, but if he improves relations with Russia, it is what the dems need to paint him as a stooge of Putin. The dems are the ones playing a dangerous game here, they would risk poor relations with another nuclear power for political purposes, and it is this kind of recklessness is what can get a lot of people killed.

I keep beating the NATO issue and I am going to here, Russia is only reacting to what NATO has been doing since the collapse of the USSR. There is technically no need for NATO, but their ever encroachment towards Russia is not helping. Russia is responding in kind, but are painted as the aggressors in the first place. Of course this kind of thinking would paint anyone as pro-Russian. I am not necessarily pro-Russian, I just don't feel the need to have any confrontation with another nuclear power thats all. Call me crazy, but I don't really want another threat of a nuclear war thanks, unlike some politicians would in the US gov.


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H.A. Goodman - CIA ADMITS AUTHENTICITY OF WIKILEAKS VAULT 7. CIA Responds to Vault 7

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Lionel Nation - WikiLeaks and Vault 7 Prove the Danger to Liberty that CIA and NSA Pose

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Former CIA director Michael Hayden blamed cultural differences between his generation and millennials for a growing number of high-profile intelligence leaks following WikiLeaks’ “Vault 7” release Tuesday. Part one of the leak, dubbed “Year Zero,” includes 8,761 files said to originate from within the CIA’s Center for Cyber Intelligence.

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Old 03-08-2017, 09:34 PM   #23
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The more factual information the United States public learns about the actual filthy " behind the scenes " operations of our devilish government; the more the public will seek to change it!!
 
Old 03-08-2017, 09:38 PM   #24
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Or the more the secretive the devilish government will become, and resort to draconian measures against it's own populace.
 
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If they did get a hold of Russian malware,
Pretty much the only way they could have failed to get a hold of Russian malware is if the Russians never used their malware at all. That seems, unlikely?

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then they could theoretically make it look like the Russians were responsible. There is no evidence of that,
No argument there.

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yet I am leaning towards the wikileaks revelations as more truthful obviously,
Did they find a memo with a plan to mess up the election?
 
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Pretty much the only way they could have failed to get a hold of Russian malware is if the Russians never used their malware at all. That seems, unlikely?
Who knows, the Russians could have sold it or may have been leaked to the US as well. Just a theory

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Did they find a memo with a plan to mess up the election?
No, but the dems insist that the Russians are behind Trump getting elected, also behind the DNC hacks but why did they deny access to the FBI to analyze their servers I wonder?

And nothing really from any of the media in US about any evidence that the Russians were somehow involved, yet that is the constant claim they would prefer everyone believes.

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RT - Crosstalk Politocide?
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If Joe McCarthy were alive today, he would easily recognize the witch hunt hysteria consuming Washington. Blaming Russia is targeting Donald Trump. The outcome of this is dangerously unclear. CrossTalking with Dmitry Babich, Edward Lozansky, and Alex Christoforou.

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Old 03-09-2017, 12:19 AM   #27
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If it really is true (as it likely is) that we are quickly entering an era that renders traditional warfare (and hardware - "as if the army and navy didn't exist") essentially obsolete and superfluous, I can't help but wonder when (more likely "IF") the Defense budget will drop precipitously as it should.

Here's some hard data via "the horse's mouth"

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Old 03-09-2017, 06:52 AM   #28
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Who knows, the Russians could have sold it or may have been leaked to the US as well. Just a theory
Yeah, of course. There are countless ways the CIA could have gotten it, but any scenario I imagine where they are unable to get it just seems absurd.

The point is that the new info from Wikileaks doesn't change the probabilities of the election being hacked/manipulated/whatever by Russians/CIA/whomever.
 
Old 03-09-2017, 08:47 AM   #29
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The Democrats are still smarting over the fact that "their candidate lost, and lost badly." I'm afraid that they'd like nothing more than to somehow "declare" that the election results were somehow "wrong," declare a state of emergency and a "provisional government," remove Trump by cabal and install the person who "of course, should have won": "Madame President!"



But, "it ain't gonna happen, folks."

It's your own damned fault for creating election machines that did not have a paper trail, but it's also a simple fact that plenty of precincts and plenty of States did not use paperless equipment. And it's also an immutable fact that the election results map was "a sea of red." Hillary won some of the most-populous States, but the voting in a Presidential election is by State, with the voters in each state effectively voting among and against themselves in the "first tier" to decide the allocation of votes in the (Electoral College) "second tier." And this election wasn't even close.

The people of the US wanted change, and that's exactly what they've got.

The notion of "a President who speaks to Russia, and/or is spoken-to by Russia," is an anathema to the Cold War mentality that still drives the "Military-Industrial Complex" which feeds Washington so many illicit paychecks. Of course they will feed Trump bills to sign that would burn relations with Russia, so that we can have our kids "Duck and Cover" in their classrooms just like the good ol' days. But I'm quite sure he's too smart to sign them.

And, quite frankly, "what about Vladimir Putin?" He's been around this block a l-o-n-g time. Knows precisely what some people in Washington, DC think of him. But, all in all a very seasoned politician from an entirely different national culture. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to tell you that some people in Washington are trying to play Russia like an accordion. But, that doesn't mean that Russia has to take the bait. "This is not their first tango."
 
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No, but the dems insist that the Russians are behind Trump getting elected, also behind the DNC hacks but why did they deny access to the FBI to analyze their servers I wonder?
"That's right! That's right! So the wrong candidate won! Y'see, it was those damned Russians!"

("Those damned Russians" are the perfect political bogey-man. Why, if they ever saw that the President wasn't accompanied by a "nuclear football," surely they'd launch those ICBM's right away!)

Therefore, let's stage a nice palace coup d'etat, remove Trump (while arresting him for something), and install Hillary, so she can double NAFTA, beg the Chinese to bring back the TPP, and do "all the right things for America!" (According to the Dems, of course.)

(Sigh ...)

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Let this be a lesson to everyone in data processing: "we should have seen this coming from day one, when 'paperless voting machines' were first proposed." And, quite a few of us did so. After all, if you don't get a receipt at the burger joint, you usually get a free hamburger next time. But, "not so when you vote," at least in those places that wholeheartedly adopted those machines. (Note: "but a great many states and precincts did not.")

In those places, therefore, "howls of protest that the election was rigged" instantly started, just as soon as certain powers-that-be were confronted by the fact that their candidate did not win.

I remember that Trump himself commented that, had the election gone the other way and it was his camp saying such things, "they would have just called us all 'conspiracy theorists.'" Well put.

Nevertheless, this is a compelling case for the need for "warehouses full of paper," coupled with procedures to prevent debacles like "hanging chads." You can install equipment that takes a rapid count by scanning (and error-checking) ballots as they are inserted into the box, but, by gawd, you'd better have that box! While you can use computers to rapid-count the votes, the votes themselves must be committed to a permanent medium (paper ...) that cannot be tampered with by any computer anywhere.

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