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Old 02-20-2006, 12:23 PM   #1
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Exclamation Wich are the differents cores of AMD 64bits CPUs?


Hi!!

I've been reading about some softwares capabiities that are limited by the "core" of the AMD Athlon 64 CPU one have. For example, you cannot make a 64bits Virtual Machine with VMWARE 5.5 if you don't have a type D processor, or... you cannot test drive the Mac OS X x86 Dev if you don't have a Venice Core.

I want to know how to know my CPU type and core?? And where can I find information about the different cores? I tryed searching at www.amd.com without success, if they don't have this names on there web sites who does??

I understand differences between FX, Opteron, Turion, Semprom and Athlon 64bits. But I didn't know there were differents AMD Athlon 64 CPU except for the Socket number., and now it seems that my CPU isn't what I expected it to be.
 
Old 02-20-2006, 12:51 PM   #2
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Well the main difference between the cores is add instructions that the CPU can execute like the sse, sse2, sse3. The memory controllers on the chip the later the version of the chip the better the controller. The die size the chip was fabricated at eg 130nm or 90nm this has to do with the power consumed by the chip. The cache size for the on-board memory cache Semprons have 128k or 256k, Athlon64 512k and Opertron or FX 1mb. Turons are the mobile processors for laptops. Your processor being an Athlon64 754 will have at best a Newcastle core stepping/revsion CG to find out what you have you could look at the numbers on the chip itself and put them into a search engine but that is probably not practical so use cat /proc/cpuinfo and you will get output similar to this.

Code:
cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor       : 0
vendor_id       : AuthenticAMD
cpu family      : 15
model           : 47
model name      : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+
stepping        : 0
cpu MHz         : 2344.389
cache size      : 512 KB
fpu             : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level     : 1
wp              : yes
flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt lm 3dnowext 3dnow pni lahf_lm
bogomips        : 4587.52
TLB size        : 1024 4K pages
clflush size    : 64
cache_alignment : 64
address sizes   : 40 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
power management: ts fid vid ttp tm stc
Take the model and cpu family and put them into a search engine and it should be able to tell you what core you have in the processor. BTW how does that Gigabyte board work for you I am thinking of getting a new board for my 754 machine.

Edit: Almost forgot this site. http://www.thedigerati.us/info/amdcpuchart.html

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Old 02-20-2006, 04:54 PM   #3
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Thank's for your reply!!

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Take the model and cpu family and put them into a search engine and it should be able to tell you what core you have in the processor. BTW how does that Gigabyte board work for you I am thinking of getting a new board for my 754 machine.
Except for the Sound, everithing seems ok, I just don't understand (and don't have much time for it) ALSA settings, it seems that one have to be some kind of sound specialist, I think things like sound should be the easiest 'cos it's most for gaming and watching movies than for real professional porpuse.
 
Old 02-20-2006, 05:23 PM   #4
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Thank's for your reply!!



Except for the Sound, everithing seems ok, I just don't understand (and don't have much time for it) ALSA settings, it seems that one have to be some kind of sound specialist, I think things like sound should be the easiest 'cos it's most for gaming and watching movies than for real professional porpuse.
Your using Ubuntu right? If so then make sure that you have the alsa-base, alsa-utils and alsa-oss packages installed. Then if you were not offered the chance to set it up run the sudo alsaconf pick your card from the list run the alsamixer to raise/unmute the master and pcm volumes. If you mean you are not getting good sound from the driver then I would suggest upgrading to the newest version of the drivers you can get sometimes this make all the difference in the world. Thanks for the info on the board I have been regretting buying the Abit one I have for the 754 since the day I got it one other thing what kind of ram are you using in it is the board picky about what you use.
 
Old 02-22-2006, 06:56 PM   #5
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I don't have a command called "alsaconf", I checked for my ALSA packages and I have them all, alsa-base, alsa-oss, alsa-utils ...alsa-etttctctctctctc....

Well here is my cpuinfo ... I think it's a NewCastle

Quote:
igor@ubuntu:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor : 0
vendor_id : AuthenticAMD
cpu family : 15
model : 12
model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+
stepping : 0
cpu MHz : 1004.904
cache size : 512 KB
fpu : yes
fpu_exception : yes
cpuid level : 1
wp : yes
flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext lm 3dnowext 3dnow
bogomips : 1990.65
TLB size : 1024 4K pages
clflush size : 64
cache_alignment : 64
address sizes : 40 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
power management: ts fid vid ttp
 
Old 02-22-2006, 07:35 PM   #6
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Yeah definitely a newcastle this page list a 3200+ with pretty much identical settings do you have the Cool'N'Quiet enabled on that CPU because if not the speed looks wrong. Did you run the alsaconf as root because it should be in the alsa-utils package.

Code:
apt-file search alsaconf
alsa-utils: usr/sbin/alsaconf
alsa-utils: usr/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/alsaconf.mo
alsa-utils: usr/share/man/man8/alsaconf.8.gz
 
Old 02-23-2006, 01:13 PM   #7
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Cool

Quote:
Originally Posted by HappyTux
do you have the Cool'N'Quiet enabled on that CPU because if not the speed looks wrong.
I have no idea... my temps mark around 25C and 30C, I use a Tower Cooler from ThermalTake with dualfans (for take in and out).. I live in a hot country ... so I really haven't check for the Cool'N'Quite stuff, what do I need to set it on?

Quote:
Originally Posted by HappyTux
Code:
apt-file search alsaconf
alsa-utils: usr/sbin/alsaconf
alsa-utils: usr/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/alsaconf.mo
alsa-utils: usr/share/man/man8/alsaconf.8.gz
I'll be checking this again... 'cos "locate alsaconf" didn't return me anything

Thanx a lot!!!
 
Old 02-23-2006, 06:05 PM   #8
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No alsaconf

Quote:
root@ubuntu:~ # apt-file search alsa-utils
alsa-utils: etc/alsa/modprobe-post-install.d/alsa-utils
alsa-utils: etc/init.d/alsa-utils
alsa-utils: etc/udev/alsa-utils.rules
alsa-utils: lib/alsa-utils/udev
alsa-utils: usr/share/doc/alsa-utils/PATCHES.Debian
alsa-utils: usr/share/doc/alsa-utils/README
alsa-utils: usr/share/doc/alsa-utils/README.Debian
alsa-utils: usr/share/doc/alsa-utils/README.aconnect
alsa-utils: usr/share/doc/alsa-utils/README.alsamixer
alsa-utils: usr/share/doc/alsa-utils/README.aseqnet
alsa-utils: usr/share/doc/alsa-utils/TODO
alsa-utils: usr/share/doc/alsa-utils/changelog.Debian.gz
alsa-utils: usr/share/doc/alsa-utils/changelog.gz
alsa-utils: usr/share/doc/alsa-utils/copyright
alsa-utils: usr/share/lintian/overrides/alsa-utils
alsa-utils: usr/share/menu/alsa-utils
 
Old 02-23-2006, 09:32 PM   #9
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I have no idea... my temps mark around 25C and 30C, I use a Tower Cooler from ThermalTake with dualfans (for take in and out).. I live in a hot country ... so I really haven't check for the Cool'N'Quite stuff, what do I need to set it on?
The Cool'N'Quiet is a setting you enable in the BIOS which when paired with the powernow daemon allows your processor to lower the speed it is running at therefore lower the temperature of the CPU. If you do not have these enabled then your CPU is running too slow but if you do then it looks like it is doing fine.


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I'll be checking this again... 'cos "locate alsaconf" didn't return me anything

Thanx a lot!!!
Now here I am lost I have no idea how it is setting up the alsa if the alsaconf is not there. Do you get any sound at all and have you made sure it is enabled in the BIOS. If you are not getting any sound at all then try sudo modprobe snd-intel8x0 which I believe is the module I read it uses when I searched the other day then use the alsamixer to see if it will show you a mixer device for it.
 
Old 02-24-2006, 09:29 AM   #10
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Exclamation UBUNTU DOES NOT INCLUDE alsaconf in it's alsa-utils package

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Now here I am lost I have no idea how it is setting up the alsa if the alsaconf is not there. Do you get any sound at all and have you made sure it is enabled in the BIOS. If you are not getting any sound at all then try sudo modprobe snd-intel8x0 which I believe is the module I read it uses when I searched the other day then use the alsamixer to see if it will show you a mixer device for it.
I have sound alright, but It's always a pain in the ass to get surround and 5.1 for the games and for the Movies (some times a have them sometimes I don't) I always ends duplicating Front channels in the Rear channels instead of haveing each independent channel for 5.1 no matter what asound.conf I try.

I've being reaserching and it seems that UBUNTU DOES NOT INCLUDE alsaconf in it's alsa-utils package, in fact, it isn't in any package
 
Old 02-24-2006, 10:17 AM   #11
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I have sound alright, but It's always a pain in the ass to get surround and 5.1 for the games and for the Movies (some times a have them sometimes I don't) I always ends duplicating Front channels in the Rear channels instead of haveing each independent channel for 5.1 no matter what asound.conf I try.

I've being reaserching and it seems that UBUNTU DOES NOT INCLUDE alsaconf in it's alsa-utils package, in fact, it isn't in any package
Well that is just plain stupid can't see why they would not include it doesn't make any sense at all. I know what you mean with my on-baoard sound it was the same only duplicate channels I got tired of it and picked up a cheap secondhand SB Audigy which works rather well separate channels for everything great sound coming out of them now. If you have the option you may want to look into getting either one of them or a SB Live 5.1 the cards a well supported under linux and have real hardware mixing of the channels.
 
Old 02-24-2006, 01:37 PM   #12
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Thanx!! for the help!!

Since you are a Debian user... do you know something about this "bug":

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...d.php?t=417329
 
Old 02-24-2006, 08:59 PM   #13
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Thanx!! for the help!!

Since you are a Debian user... do you know something about this "bug":

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...d.php?t=417329
Don't know if I can be of much help there I have never run OO or 32bit software on my install with the exception of setiathome then all I needed was the ia32-libs. Are you running the OO in a chroot if so as I see you say the problem is with the new nVidia driver do you install it in both the normal install and the chroot? Also any links to the pages where you have read about the problem maybe I can figure something out if I read them.
 
Old 02-26-2006, 08:18 PM   #14
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Well... I found a guy who reinstalled the whole thing, I try that out andit worked ...

Getting back to the AMD topic...
I don't see any Cool'n'Quite Stuff in my BIOS, I'm certain I support it 'cos the Mobo Box has it printed.

Whe I start VMWARE, my cpuinfo shows the 2 Ghz alright.
Quote:
igor@ubuntu:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor : 0
vendor_id : AuthenticAMD
cpu family : 15
model : 12
model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+
stepping : 0
cpu MHz : 2009.828
cache size : 512 KB
fpu : yes
fpu_exception : yes
cpuid level : 1
wp : yes
flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext lm 3dnowext 3dnow
bogomips : 3981.31
TLB size : 1024 4K pages
clflush size : 64
cache_alignment : 64
address sizes : 40 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
power management: ts fid vid ttp

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Old 02-26-2006, 08:39 PM   #15
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It goes under a couple of names another one is powernow but from the looks of it the processor runs at full speed when it needs to and slows down when it does not have to run flat out which means it works properly so thats a good thing. Good to hear you got it working BTW.
 
  


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