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Old 01-24-2021, 01:07 PM   #31
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Im hoping to get back to my life as soon as possible. Being locked in one place and not being able to go out isnt particularly pleasant.
Not at all when they saved my life just over three years ago, I developed shingles for which they quarantined me in the hospital. Damn near went insane with that idea, my mind did not handle the enforced confinement well, that along with the people treating like you were sub-human. Not the nurses or doctors the regular people working in the hospital. Still you would think they would be better trained than they were about disease and its spread. They were never in physical contact with me so could not have got it, but those big red letters on the door scared them so much.
 
Old 01-25-2021, 07:12 AM   #32
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Shingles = chickenpox in Adults. It's inclined to grab a nerve and wreck that, unless you treat it. I got it in a period of immense stress. I wasn't particularly contagious, as all my family had had it. I stayed at home. My doctor prescribed some expensive stuff which stops the virus regeneration. I had 7 days of that, and it took another week or more to recover.

It was great in this way. I was running a firefighting type of service in Industrial Electronics. I had guys ringing who told me how much they really needed me. But I was dead sick, semi-conscious, and feeling like I was hallucinating.There was no way I could move.

When I was better, I rang them back, but there was no work waiting for me. When they had put the phone down on me, they made another phone call, and sorted themselves out. Contrary to their assertions, I was expendable, not indispensable. So I never had the heart attack, or the nervous breakdown because of work stress. Because I, like all of us, are expendable.
 
Old 01-25-2021, 02:43 PM   #33
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nice to hear that there is no symptoms.
You wish.

Also it depends on the vaccine given. The Pfizer vaccine seems to have way more potential side effects and the potential under the right circumstances to put certain people into anaphylaxis (and its apparently killed a few people too). My doctor told me not to have it and to only have the Oxford/Astrazeneca vaccine, which i did.

For me side effects wise, it caused a breathing issue within an hour of me having it done, to the point I couldn't breathe very well and was unable to walk 5 steps without needing to sit down. That is the main bad side effect i had and still have two days after having it. I have also had pain and redness at the injection site, a sore throat, fluey type symptoms, aching joints, severe fatigue (like i'd run a half marathon), banging head/headache that doesnt resolve with painkillers and my blood pressure has been really high since I had it. I still intend to have the second shot when it becomes available, as I can live with these side effects a lot more than death. Anaphylaxis is treatable fairly easily if it went that way and taking steroids and chlorphenamine as a prophylactic, will probably head off the majority of the rest of the problem problem.

You might have no side effects. No one is the same, so it just affects each of us differently. If you have any allergies though, i would steer clear of the Pfizer vaccine. Over here at least, its contraindicated for use by people with allergies.

In the UK at present the definite choices right now are Pfizer or Oxford. Moderna is supposed to arrive in March at some point. Dont know about the other vaccines yet.

I wish you luck when you have yours and hopefully you have none of the problems I had.
 
Old 01-26-2021, 06:09 AM   #34
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Some things are clear at this point.
  1. The 1st, and maybe the 2nd world are going to lose 2021 getting vaccinated.
  2. The 3rd & 4th world aren't going to get vaccines until 2022/23
  3. If the vaccines or Covid recovery don't provide lasting immunity, cities will become unworkable as habitats.
  4. Social habits may well undergo lasting change in ways I can't foresee. Places of entertainment,Discos, bars, even one-night stands will all be put under review.
  5. "Western" Society will be held in contempt by absolute rulers because we didn't pursue a 'zero covid' policy.
  6. As a result of 1 & 2, the rich nations will be broke, and the poor ones won't have the cash to import. That's a terrible recipe for cruelty & disaster.

Can folks correct me or add any obvious side effects?
 
Old 01-26-2021, 07:10 AM   #35
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If the vaccines or Covid recovery don't provide lasting immunity, cities will become unworkable as habitats.
No, that doesn't follow at all. If the vaccines provide immunity for a year, we'll just have annual vaccinations for all the over 60's, like the ones we already have for flu. Vaccines like Oxford can be kept in the fridge just like flu vaccines and there are more of those coming down the pipeline.
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Social habits may well undergo lasting change in ways I can't foresee. Places of entertainment,Discos, bars, even one-night stands will all be put under review.
I think that is true and it won't necessarily be a bad thing. For example, more flexible working, with people going into the office only one or two days a week, will destroy the need for office skyscrapers, so a lot of those buildings will have to be repurposed, perhaps as affordable housing for key workers. People live as well as work in most European cities. Here's my take on what a post-covid UK might look like.
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"Western" Society will be held in contempt by absolute rulers because we didn't pursue a 'zero covid' policy.
It already is. Sooner or later there will have to be a showdown with China.
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the rich nations will be broke, and the poor ones won't have the cash to import. That's a terrible recipe for cruelty & disaster.
And not exactly a novelty either. We'll be broke but not because of covid. The truth is our "civilisation" has been running on fumes for years now. Something had to expose the sham. If it hadn't been covid, it would have been something else. The real question is, can we build back better, create a society that really works?

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Old 01-26-2021, 10:52 AM   #36
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It already is. Sooner or later there will have to be a showdown with China.

And not exactly a novelty either. We'll be broke but not because of covid. The truth is our "civilisation" has been running on fumes for years now. Something had to expose the sham. If it hadn't been covid, it would have been something else. The real question is, can we build back better, create a society that really works?
Indeed very good points, the first one being the absolute priority for governments to get into their head, China is a danger to the world. And they show no signs of changing it for the better if fact they seem to want to push it more and more. Until they get to know the idea that their behaviour will cost them dearly in terms of their economy nothing will change with them. Their outright war on western civilization will continue, the continuing genocides they commit on their occupied peoples will go unabated. They will push and push for their expansion at the cost of everyone else, the ongoing economic sabotage of other economies, the outright theft of any and all ideas, methods of production will go until stopped by people who will not kiss their ass for a few scraps of money and power they leave on the floor.

On your second here, we will be broke because that is the way the parasites at the top have structured it, they take an ever increasing share of the pie leaving nothing for anyone else to have. The world has the opportunity to change all this when coming out of this foolishness inflicted on the world by China, either thru direct actions such as it escaping from the labs in Wuhan or incompetence of the handling of it if from natural causes. They claim they had no idea how to handle such a new virus, ignoring the fact that they did the exact same thing during the original SARS outbreak a good twenty or so years earlier, covered it up and said it was not their fault, well that ship has sailed and the lie is not applicable anymore.

Oh and has anyone noticed it is only racist to call it the Wuhan virus but not to call it the British, Brazilian or South African as they do now with those strains of it. We have to go out of our way to called it COVID so as not to paint the Chinese as the disease spreading scum they are. They have new outbreak of the swine flu now killing off the pigs once again. The articles on this are pointing to illegal vaccines used on them causing the new type of it by spreading due to bad doses of it/them. I wonder how much that was a factor in the outbreak we now have inflicted upon humans. In short the Chinese government is to be trusted with nothing of importance they will kill, cheat and lie their way continuously on everything they do to get more and more control over the world.
 
Old 01-26-2021, 11:45 AM   #37
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The battle is only lost for people who believed that we would be past it within a year or so. This isn't going away any time soon and the nonsense about 6 months or "soon" needs to go. Logic tells us that. Short of a miracle it's just not realistic. At the end of the day this thing will be here awhile and likely for decades. Sooner people accept that the better it will get for all of us. Wear a damn mask and welcome to your new life.
 
Old 01-26-2021, 12:03 PM   #38
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You are not exactly strengthening your case by using terms like "disease-carrying scum"! Our quarrel is not with the Chinese people but with their government. For me, one of the oddest things in this whole worrying saga is the initial cover-up job the Chinese Communist Party did on the epidemic as long as it raged in China alone. They not only did nothing to stop it; they actively suppressed news of it, silencing and imprisoning those doctors who tried to publicise what was going on. Only once it had escaped and become a world pandemic did they act.

I think they knew that they could stop the infection in its tracks at any time because of the total control they have over their population. The only difference as far as they were concerned between an early lockdown and a later one was that a lot more Chinese people would die in the second scenario. But life has always been cheap in China, and maybe the chance to destroy the economies of the West without actually having to go to war seemed too good an opportunity to miss.
 
Old 01-26-2021, 12:11 PM   #39
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Life is pretty cheap in a lot of countries, such as the USA. Why should the Chinese want to damage our economies when they sell us so much stuff? I suspect that the initial news clampdown was to prevent any sort of panic — not sensible, but then has public reaction in the West been sensible?.
 
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For me, one of the oddest things in this whole worrying saga is the
initial cover-up job the Chinese Communist Party did on the epidemic as long
as it raged in China alone. They not only did nothing to stop it; they
actively suppressed news of it, silencing and imprisoning those doctors who
tried to publicise what was going on
That does not surprise me. That's what authoritarian regimes like a communist state do. The state and its welfare is more important than its individual citizens welfare. A few hundred peoples death is unimportant. What's important is that the state is protected and appears to be doing a better job than the "west".

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That is certainly a thought. I don't know if they would go that far. Modern travel is what spread it so fast. 150 years ago, it may not have reached us yet. I'm basing that on study of the Bubonic plague in mainland Europe, then hitting Britain later, 4 waves of it.
 
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You are not exactly strengthening your case by using terms like "disease-carrying scum"! Our quarrel is not with the Chinese people but with their government. For me, one of the oddest things in this whole worrying saga is the initial cover-up job the Chinese Communist Party did on the epidemic as long as it raged in China alone. They not only did nothing to stop it; they actively suppressed news of it, silencing and imprisoning those doctors who tried to publicise what was going on. Only once it had escaped and become a world pandemic did they act.

I think they knew that they could stop the infection in its tracks at any time because of the total control they have over their population. The only difference as far as they were concerned between an early lockdown and a later one was that a lot more Chinese people would die in the second scenario. But life has always been cheap in China, and maybe the chance to destroy the economies of the West without actually having to go to war seemed too good an opportunity to miss.
There may well be people there who do not act like that, just like in the US not all the republicans are racists, just enough of them to matter. The apologists like you who twist the words to try to appear objective are fools, there is no justification possible for the Chinese and what they have done to hundreds of millions of people. The dead are so numerous they are uncountable, only estimates remain of the bones consigned to history. Oh and all that is not possible without the cooperation of the people over the many numerous decades it occurred in, so tell me again just how wonderful the Chinese are.
 
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^ There's a few more dogwhistle terms I haven't heard in a while...

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Modern travel is what spread it so fast.
This.
Again and again.
 
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Wink Has anyone not had the flu or a cold

but seeds ecoing evolution to Elephants in plastic, sea ˈɪnjuɪt a gone?
 
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Never mind - I should know better...

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That's what authoritarian regimes like a communist state do. The state and its welfare is more important than its individual citizens welfare.
Oh no. It is much worse. It is about they sure they can make world to be better place to live. Just follow their rules, guidelines and be patient. Maybe not today but tomorrow for sure things will change. Sometime sacrifices are needed but well it is for greater good and history will judge us.
 
  


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