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Old 01-23-2021, 06:33 AM   #16
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Yes, there's no end to stupidity. I had my first shot yesterday so I should have partial immunity in a week or so and and will be less likely to catch covid, but I know that doesn't give me back a normal life until I've had the booster, which won't be until April. Government policy in the UK is to spread around as much partial immunity as possible as quickly as possible rather than fully immunising a smaller number of people ASAP. It's a gamble but so far no one knows any reason for this not to work. I gather that a few other European countries are planning to do the same if the policy works here.

You can ignore my previous post. I was in a very bad mood when I wrote that, having walked 20 minutes to the vaccination centre and then 20 minutes back without getting anything out of it.
 
Old 01-23-2021, 12:46 PM   #17
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From what I gather, the UK are off the beaten track with that 12-week approach and it's never been tested anywhere. I'm not going near Pfizer's vaccine. I'll probably get flamed for this, but I make individual decisions on those matters and I've heard too many bad things about it to get it.

Back in March 2020, we completely changed our modus operandi, and that hasn't changed despite lock-downs, or relaxations. In many countries that has proved to be a very wise course.
 
Old 01-23-2021, 09:12 PM   #18
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I had my first jab today. Had the Oxford/Astrazeneca. For me it had a couple of side effects, one of them particularly nasty. I will be having the second jab when it comes around as I can manage the side effects in other ways.

The Pfizer vaccine on the other hand, well I know 10 doctors and other medical workers that have refused to have it. Many are scared of re-runs of the Swine Flu vaccine that was released 8 or 9 years back that caused narcolepsy and cataplexy in some unlucky individuals. Its killed a bunch of people due to anaphylaxis as well and made others ill. I know nothing about the other vaccines.

So presumably within 3 weeks I will have gained a level of resistance to Covid, although one of the doctors I see said in reality a person receving the vacine can still get Covid, the difference is how likely it is to kill you. I guess kind of like the flu jab. You may still get flu, but it wont be as bad.

Im hoping to get back to my life as soon as possible. Being locked in one place and not being able to go out isnt particularly pleasant.
 
Old 01-24-2021, 02:09 AM   #19
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^ Good points. Still remember the race, who gets there first, and the late Trump egging them on because it was his last solution? There was something creepy about all that, and I was thinking: I wouldn't necessarily trust anyone who wins that sort of race.

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So presumably within 3 weeks I will have gained a level of resistance to Covid, although one of the doctors I see said in reality a person receving the vacine can still get Covid, the difference is how likely it is to kill you.
I heard it on the news again yesterday: it makes you immune (more or less), but you can still get or transmit the virus. And that it's unclear "to what extent" that holds true, whatever that means. It's still subject to research.
I don't remember what vaccine, but it was a British news show, so whatever is prevalent there, I guess.
 
Old 01-24-2021, 04:17 AM   #20
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I heard it on the news again yesterday: it makes you immune (more or less), but you can still get or transmit the virus. And that it's unclear "to what extent" that holds true, whatever that means. It's still subject to research. I don't remember what vaccine, but it was a British news show, so whatever is prevalent there, I guess.
They have to say that for legal reasons. The truth is that so far nobody knows one way or the other, so they have to cover themselves. But it doesn't seem intuitively likely to me. To spread a virus, you have to carry quite a high viral load, whether you have symptoms or not. You're unlikely to develop that if your immune system has been primed to attack and kill the virus.
 
Old 01-24-2021, 04:26 AM   #21
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... I had my first shot yesterday ...
any symptoms, like sore arm or anything?
 
Old 01-24-2021, 04:31 AM   #22
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any symptoms, like sore arm or anything?
Nope, nothing! I'm beginning to get worried. Maybe my immune system isn't responding
 
Old 01-24-2021, 05:14 AM   #23
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You're unlikely to develop that if your immune system has been primed to attack and kill the virus.
I think that cells of our body infected by virus are killed. They are detected as alien. Side effects are called by bacteria - may appear very serious pneumonia. Problem is our way of life does not help our immunological system. It is not to make it stay alert all time but to teach it to react fast. So far it sleeps and awakes very slowly. But for economy it is better we are unhealthy and weak - look for market of pills, and other stuff. Strange thing is we know that and accept. In Poland I am sick people saying: what can I do? We supposed to live in young democracy but that thinking 'I can do nothing' remain. Strange we were communist they had that grip of good, wrong. And just did. But we lost it. It is not we are obedient, rather people here in Poland just don't care. Alienated you can say.
 
Old 01-24-2021, 07:07 AM   #24
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Nope, nothing! I'm beginning to get worried. Maybe my immune system isn't responding

Doesn't this thing have a 10-14 day incubation period? This country went crazy restrictions wise 25th-28th December & the 31st. We had out peak 14-day incidence on 15th January, and I'm expecting our peaK of deaths by end of the first week of February. That's the way the statistics play out. Our cases/day are going down, but our hospital cases/ICU cases are rising daily.

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Old 01-24-2021, 08:20 AM   #25
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Doesn't this thing have a 10-14 day incubation period?
For symptoms, in most people, it is around 5 days, but it can be as soon as 2.
Approx 98% of people who develop symptoms do so within 12 days.

However, infectiousness can start upto 3 days before the symptoms, and can last up to ~2 weeks.
(I don't know the minimum period before becoming infectious; obviously it can't be -1 days.)

In serious cases, hospitalization tends to occur 5-8 days after initial symptoms - so, that'll be from 7 to 20 days after infection.

 
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The Government statistics I've given you seem to say a little different, as do the experts here. Ireland went into lockdown from Dec 28th, although there was breaching of lockdown for New Year's Eve. The government gave out the 10-14 days figure, and the subsequent death peak after that. With your figures, how do you account for our curve of cases & deaths as graphed on https://bing.com/covid/local/ireland ??
 
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The incubation period is not 10-14 days - either the officials/experts saying that are wrong, or (more likely) they're saying something different and being misinterpreted.

The numbers I provided came from scientific research papers (albeit ones from the first wave of the pandemic).

Using the same OWID data source as I have previously, here is Ireland new cases per day with an easier to read chart: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavir...ickerSort=desc

This clearly shows an acceleration in cases 7 days after Christmas, and the highest number is 7 days after New Years Eve (which is also 14 days after Christmas).

With a 2 day test turnaround (according to HSE), that's inline with symptoms mostly taking 5 days, and almost always within 12.

 
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1 shot down and 1 to go for me also hazel.

Mine was not crowded at my local civic center.
They left me voice mail to notify me.

Did this Friday afternoon.
Nothing is sore. No symptoms either.

I'll probably get a voice mail before Feb 10 or so for the 2nd shot.
For anybody living in Tx. I did not pay anything to do this.
They just took some driver licence info for cdc and that was it.
It was a big long needle and she inserted it to the hilt.

Good thing I am thick skinned and the out doorsy type. Been working out doors since I had my shot.

Edit: Gene pool is 1/2 Polish & 1/2 Cossack with some Mongol mixed in.

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Old 01-24-2021, 12:40 PM   #29
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nice to hear that there is no symptoms.
 
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any symptoms, like sore arm or anything?
Couple of weeks ago my doctor did a flu and pneumonia shot for me in each arm. Whichever it was that went into the right arm well I will tell you it hurt like hell for days afterwards.
 
  


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