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X11 04-17-2002 02:24 AM

Why the hell not...
I'm pissed off with hardware manufactures and proprietary software developers (excluding M$) who don't support linux. Eg.

Hardware Manufactures: I don't see why some hardware don't support linux, especially since it's linux is really increasing in use (especially on servers). So I don't see why it would be so hard write a driver for a open-source operating system, there's no excuse. If manufactures provided at least drivers for linux, there would be much less problems to get linux up and running on much more hardware.

Proprietary software developers: I'm not against open-source/free software, but the thing is there a still a lot of proprietary applications out there that still do the job better or are more powerful than the linux alternative, eg.

- Accounting programs (MYOB, quicken, etc)
- 3D animation/modeling (3DStudio MAX, Lightwave)
- WYSIWYG web editiors (Dreamweaver, GoLive, etc)
- Flash editor (Come on, macromedia you made it work on MAC OS X)
- Games (most games, still haven't been ported)
- Anyone else care to add what programs are you like to be supported.

gui10 04-17-2002 03:09 AM

i think the implications of the GPL are a great deterrent or, at least cause for serious considerations for business entities all over the world.

Bert 04-17-2002 06:24 AM

Most of the apps you mentioned are real cash cows for their respective manufacturers.

I'm looking at CRM software and there's nothing for Linux unless you get a tailored solution.

There's a lot of stuff linux has got which other OS don't have though.

Like Emacs, pdf manipulators/converters, neural network simulators (these are REALLY expensive outside GPL), image morphing tools (xmorph), recursive file handling (grep, ngrep).

For accounting tools, well there's GNUCash. Not really a high end tool admittedly. I always think of Linux as a tool to get work done because that's what it appears to excel at. I don't mind missing out on games and silly stuff as that's what you keep the other OS for.


acid_kewpie 04-17-2002 06:31 AM

give it a year or so... kword will probably comfortably rival winword, there will be decent GLP spreadsheet software (the GtkSheet spreadsheet widget is brillant btw) and everything... and all that. the amount of really anal applications is increasing a lot... which has to be good news. if linux has 10 different periodic table drawing packages, things are gonna really start maturing soon.

Thymox 04-17-2002 07:37 AM

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. It pisses me off about hardware manufacturers writing closed, proprietary drivers for their hardware. I mean, I can understand the pros of closed software as a means to make money...but this is drivers we're talking about!! They've already made their money by selling the hardware - you don't buy drivers, they come free with the hardware, so what's the problem with having open drivers?

Take Diamond, for example. They seem to be refusing to accepts that Linux exists. Well, I bought a USB modem from them, and found that it's nigh on impossible to get the thing working. So what am I going to do? I'm not going to buy any more Diamond hardware, and I'm going to steer my friends (Windows using or otherwise) away from their products. What have they gained as a company?

gui10 04-17-2002 08:26 AM

yes, my sentiments lie with you Thymox, just that i'm wondering... do you have to open source the drivers of hardware products? i'm speculating (coz i don't know how to code device drivers) that it might give an inkling to competitors about the tech behind their products. whether or not it matters is one thing... but giving up company information (trivial or no) is what commercial companies loathe to do and some companies are obviously more anal than others.

as a consumer, i'd swear off diamond products too, since linux is my favorite OS. but if there are other concerns (valid or no), i would lend a listening ear. again, to clarify, lending a listening ear doesn't mean i'll spend money on them or change my preferences. just listen and understand another point of view...

Stephanie 04-17-2002 09:28 AM

I also find it silly that many hardware manufacturers do not support Linux yet.

I mean, come on, the thing is more popular and powerful and runs on much more hardware than Macintosh.

Yet they still dont write drivers. I am curious though how much of this is caused by Micro$oft incentive packages, or strong-arm tactics.

Not that I am accusing anyone of any wrong doing of course :rolleyes:

Thymox 04-17-2002 10:30 AM

No, perhaps they don't have to be open sourced drivers. Take into consideration, however, that currently the biggest set of 'drivers' for any hardware (for Linux) comes from the Kernel, and modules thereof. To ensure that a company's closed drivers work with any potential combination of hardware and kernel is a massive undertaking, and bug tracking would be equally large.

I'm not saying that openness is the be-all and end-all, I would be more than happy to use a company's hardware if they had closed drivers...just so long as they have the drivers.

X11 04-17-2002 11:20 PM

I still don't see a strong enough reason not port this kind of software over to our favorite OS, one the many advantages of linux the free and open-source software, but the point is open-source software still a behind in some of these areas, but also in front the proprietary software developers. Then we all save ourselves a reboot, hard drive space and also have a more competitive market.

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