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Old 03-26-2004, 05:15 AM   #1
fantoche
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Question Why Linux? Are there still true reasons?


Hello. They are many people who believe that Linux is better than Windows. But only a little number of them knows why, without being exclusively involved by economical & legal policies (which clearly benefit Linux and OpenSource). But, there is already much software and drivers being developed for linux under closed binary code.

Some years ago, when it was win9x Vs any *nix, anybody with good-based computing knowledge would have jumped without any thought for Linux, this last was a true multitask/multiuser well built system, with better stability, reliability, scability, flexibility (well all these words which all linux users use to convince sb that linux is better) [they usually can't offer true proofs.

Ok, and my question is it:

Besides some unlucky great discovered holes in XP (like rpc, netbios, etc) which also have had some day linux (portmap, rpc, and all its services) [i think sincerely there are many more daily holes discovered on *nix platforms], the great question:

IS THERE ANYTHING YOU CAN DO WITH LINUX AND NOT WITH WINDOWS?


Please, don't reply to just say typical boring software and money policy issues. I just want to receive replies based on what i have asked: O.S capabilities.

PD: i forgot to say what has really drived me to start this thread, and this is, besides not finding any cool better thing in Linux, to be continuously fucked by driver issues. Take a look at Wireless and other things. You must always go shopping with certain supported hardware in mind (hw that is not always the best though being more expensive).
And, this really sucks, and I Know, that Everybody thinks this way at least in this issue.

Thanks.

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Old 03-26-2004, 05:33 AM   #2
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Well from my own perspective, *nix is absolutely necessary to run my business (I am a self employed webmaster/ search engine optimizer/ marketer).

Try running high volume websites with lots of backend scripting, or high volume mail servers, or any heavy duty script that has to run flawlessly for hours/ days/ weeks on end, or a fast web spider, and I guarantee you Windows will choke (these are all things that I personally have to do/ run/ use on a daily basis). I actually use FreeBSD for most of the serving stuff because of its superior performance under very heavy loads, but Linux is nicer for a lot of things for the desktop IMHO. There is just no way that stuff can be developed or run locally and effectively on Windows.

Hardware support is a bitch in a lot of cases, but I only buy stuff which I have researched before hand and that I know will work... I'd much rather have my consumer dollar go to companies that support linux drivers (even if they are binary only).

Another reason to run Linux or one of the BSDs would be privacy. If you ever have to do anything that requires absolute privacy (for business/ personal/ legal reason) you are shooting yourself in the foot trying to do it in Windows... it's like one big heap of spyware and it only keeps getting worse.

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Old 03-26-2004, 06:00 AM   #3
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Look at it another way, why not use Linux? I've yet to find anywhere that says all computers must run windows.

It suits my purposes and works fine for me. Again you are talking security holes for the most part in software
that may or may not be installed on a particular linux system. One wonderful example of a security hole that was in windows was an internet explorer exploit. To paraphrase microsoft warning - "this security hole affects all systems with internet explorer installed on it (read all windows systems) and could potentially be exploited whether or not the user is actually running internet explorer"

Use what you are happy using.
 
Old 03-26-2004, 06:23 AM   #4
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Hi,

I think that the choice of an OS should be done thinking about the use of the OS itself, and the hardware that one is using...

I'm sure that windows is the best choice for a certain type of uses and users, and this is true for Linux and other Unix too.

The worst error that we can make is to think that only one OS is perfect for all uses.

In my opinion, one problem is pyracy, it destroy the consciousness of necessity, for example : i've meet a lot of people that use photoshop to only VIEW *jpg files... why don't they use Irfan view instead of photoshop ? simple ! they have an illegal copy of photoshop and they think that it is THE best. Yes, ps is the best in Graphic Manipulation, but it is wasted in order to only view images..., the same is true for operating systems, are we shure that windows is THE best choise for ALL users ?
 
Old 03-26-2004, 06:38 AM   #5
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scalability. I have an old 200mhz box running at home as an ultra-low traffic webserver. Try running the latest version of XP & IIS on that......
 
Old 03-26-2004, 07:15 AM   #6
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Scripting. Batch scripting on Windows use to be useful (win9x), but now it's difficult since most Windows tools are no longer CLI. Linux, on the other hand, makes scripting easy and almost essential. I wrote a BASH scripting to automate a radio station in 30 minutes, while to this day I have been unable to write a corresponding script for Windows. The bottom line is that Linux is wonderful for automation while Windows is not.
 
Old 03-26-2004, 07:22 AM   #7
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what is fun worth?

That's it, really. It's just fun. I can take some app that I like and tweak it a little, then watch it compile, and try it out. If it isn't the way I like it, I can tweak it some more.

I make my $ as a writer, which means I spend a lot of time at a keyboard. Sometimes the brain just goes blank, and I have a cool toy right in front of me that I can play with.

What can I do with Linux that you cannot do with Windows? Easy answer. I can have fun!

On the other hand, it sounds like you would be better off if you just stuck with Windows, as it sounds like you have what you need. Isn't that the whole point?

 
Old 03-26-2004, 07:30 AM   #8
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Moved: Linux vs Windows threads belong and or more suitable in General, as we already have enough of these types of threads, a search could have found them and we could keep contributing to the existing ones. Regards.
 
Old 03-26-2004, 09:46 AM   #9
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to me, i like winXP as a gaming platform, but as a workstation, i am working hard to move toward linux. it offers everything a workstation needs, is faster, more secure (very important for a small business like mine), much more robust, has greater uptimes thus more productivity, les viruses to deal with again more productivity, and i dont have to lock it down so tight ppl cant do anything on their workstation because if they fubar their account, i just blow that account away and go again. no big deal.

now sadly for a server i am still stuck with win2k for a few reasons.

1. i use Quickbooks (yes there is a port out there for it, but its not 100% supported yet)

2. sadly i use a HP 2210xi all in one printer and HP does not have *nix drivers for it.

#2 is more of a problem then #1 as i could deal with the miner issues on porting QB over to linux as from all ive read you only lose a few of the navigation boxes like forward, back, next. who cares we dont use those anyways. as for the loss of a rather expensive printer/scanner/fax/copier that i can not afford and do not want to move it out of my office.

before the end of the year i am shure ill be running 100% *nix on my workstations and until i can find a solution for the print drivers im stuck with 2kserver for my DC. if i had a solution for my printer id move 100% to *nix in the office without a doubt.
 
Old 03-26-2004, 11:23 AM   #10
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Re: Why Linux? Are there still true reasons?

Quote:
IS THERE ANYTHING YOU CAN DO WITH LINUX AND NOT WITH WINDOWS?
Run for weeks or months at a time without rebooting, and without seeing a performance loss? Not to mention it runs games for me about twice as fast as XP ever did, even after turning off all the process I could. The fact is, I haven't found much Windows can do that Linux can't do better. If you find that you have trouble answering that question, you should either stick with it and find out, or go back to Windows. Whatever floats your boat.
 
Old 03-26-2004, 01:08 PM   #11
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Why even bother? This guy's a drive-by troll; he's not even going to read your responses.
 
Old 03-26-2004, 01:51 PM   #12
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Why bother replying??!?!?!?

Because other people reading this MAY NOT be drive-by trolls and might be making a decision to switch to Linux or use Linux as part of their IT solution...

What can I do with Linux that I can't do with Windoze (yes, I'm one of those who intentionally misspell M$'s product name)???

I can stay with a piece of software an not be forced into an expensive upgrade path. I can set up a user account for my wife that won't allow her to change my personal settings, or run the risk of her damaging the system configuration. I can run in an innately secure envirnment where the littlest crash won't cause a reboot of the entire system. I can upgrade at my leisure instead of when it's demanded of me. I can have access to the software's code (for the open source stuff) which will allow me to re-scale my software for any platform I may encounter in the future. The list goes on and on...
 
Old 03-26-2004, 03:02 PM   #13
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Feel like I should have one of those catchy "the more you know" things at the top of this post...

some of my reasons:
I don't have to be sitting in front of the monitor to do something.
text manipulation is easy
text manipulation tied to commands make it easy to do complex tasks.

Simple exersize for those windows lovers:
I have a directory with 10,000 files in it the company changed their name from Foo to Bar and we need to change foo to bar in every filename. (maybe later we'll change the names inside the files) how do you propose we do this in windows?

I got $5 that says I can do it faster than you with Linux.
 
Old 03-27-2004, 10:09 PM   #14
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Linux just works. Simple sweet to the point. I love the fact that I literally haven't had a single crash or problem I couldn't fix without having to A) "having to restart your computer for changes to take effect". B) Deal with annoying BSOD's Blue Screen Of Death for the less compter saavy. or C) Just doesn't work even after you update everything and restart your computer and call tech support ect. you get the idea. Linux has something windows doesn't have as well. that's a community of dedicated enthusiasts whos don't get paid but are willing to help out with what ever needs to be done. I can usually come here and find what I need to fix a problem. I can look in the code itself and find the solution. that's what Linux is about. that's why linux does everything better than windoze.
 
Old 03-27-2004, 11:28 PM   #15
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Re: Why Linux? Are there still true reasons?

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Originally posted by fantoche
Ok, and my question is it:

IS THERE ANYTHING YOU CAN DO WITH LINUX AND NOT WITH WINDOWS?
You're absolutely correct. I can do everything with $500 worth of MS software that I can do with $50 worth of Linux software.
 
  


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