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Old 03-20-2021, 02:23 AM   #1
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Why kids must learn on Google Classrom and Ipads, and forget how to write?


Hello,

I think, that today, we must rethink why all schools do oblige kids very early, even below 10 years old, to use Apple ipads (touchpads).

Why kids must learn on Google Classrom and Ipads, and forget how to write? At the age of 10, they haven't learned how to write. All digital, not even hydrid is not ok.

The today's Education should be banned to give kids the unique chance to forget how to write and learn.

Post your thoughts.

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Old 03-20-2021, 03:52 AM   #2
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They don't learn Roman numerals. They don't learn cursive, but boy they learn cursing. They don't learn typing, how many people know of, and use home row? Around here, the 'shop' schools are not for the students with the correct aptitudes for shop, you have to be top of the class to get into the vocational schools, that's reversed from when I went to school.
 
Old 03-20-2021, 05:42 AM   #3
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Sometimes bypassing writing can be useful. I had a work colleague who was left-handed and never learned to write properly. All he could ever produce was a kind of lower-case printing that looked as if a spider had fallen into an inkwell and then gone for a walk across the page. He told me that he had been given special remedial classes in writing but they hadn't done him any good.

However he could type normally and the library was fully computerised so his poor writing skills were no problem. In an earlier age, he would never have got a job as a civil servant!

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Old 03-20-2021, 06:59 AM   #4
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They can spot "like" "you know" a molecule of "like" perceived racism "you know" at "like" a hundred meters though "you know" and "like wow" "you know", "like". So, "you know" that is "like" a good thing "you know" "like".
 
Old 03-20-2021, 08:58 AM   #5
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Writing is overrated anyway?
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Originally Posted by Plato
And so it is that you by reason of your tender regard for the writing that is your offspring have declared the very opposite of its true effect. If men learn this, it will implant forgetfulness in their souls. They will cease to exercise memory because they rely on that which is written, calling things to remembrance no longer from within themselves, but by means of external marks.

What you have discovered is a recipe not for memory, but for reminder. And it is no true wisdom that you offer your disciples, but only the semblance of wisdom, for by telling them of many things without teaching them you will make them seem to know much while for the most part they know nothing. And as men filled not with wisdom but with the conceit of wisdom they will be a burden to their fellows.
https://fs.blog/2013/02/an-old-argum...ainst-writing/
 
Old 03-20-2021, 09:21 AM   #6
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I'm not entirely sure why writing is so important. I learned how to write and my cursive and such was quite beautiful back in the day. Now, 30 years later after spending the majority of my time on a computer my writing might make kindergarten level. The only time's I've had to write has been forms for doctors / hospital stuff. Even those are starting to go digital. I can't help but think that writing is just a dying art with no real reason for it to come back. Everything changes with time.
 
Old 03-20-2021, 09:57 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by patrick295767 View Post
Hello,

I think, that today, we must rethink why all schools do oblige kids very early, even below 10 years old, to use Apple ipads (touchpads).

Why kids must learn on Google Classrom and Ipads, and forget how to write? At the age of 10, they haven't learned how to write. All digital, not even hydrid is not ok.

The today's Education should be banned to give kids the unique chance to forget how to write and learn.

Post your thoughts.
What's life without a nonsensical rant hey?
And since when did "all schools oblige kids to use Apple iPads" ? Good luck getting any computing device in a state school in the likes of the Congo in Africa - you'd be lucky to just get internet.

Anyhow...

...welcome to the 21st century.

Don't forget to up my "likes"

(Although I have no idea what "perceived racism" has to do with this, since any computing device has no notion of any such things, and therefore such things are entirely human constructs - aren't us humans a "gift" to earth )
 
Old 03-20-2021, 10:35 AM   #8
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(Although I have no idea what "perceived racism" has to do with this, since any computing device has no notion of any such things, and therefore such things are entirely human constructs - aren't us humans a "gift" to earth )
I think what teckk meant is that young people today are taught how to perceive the most microscopic traces of racism from a hundred yards away but aren't taught how to put words together properly to form a single intelligible sentence. And though I disagree with him on many points, I would be inclined to second him on that one.

jsb, your irony detector needs to be tuned up a bit. I've noticed that a lot of the posts in General (including some of my own) are ironic in tone but that this is often misunderstood, causing discussions to get derailed.

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Old 03-20-2021, 11:18 AM   #9
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Ah, kids of today are taught how to spot a redneck racist and not to be one themselves, but their writing is suffering as a result, I see. Well, in that case, many subjects are suffering as a result of "screen time", not just writing skills I would contend.

In any case, schools these days from what I see are more about "let's teach kids how to be the most employable mindless drones around", because let's face it; good luck to your kids if they have a spine and aren't interested in being a good little "yes man/women" - at least in Australia anyway.

PS: I see that much irony almost everyday here, and outside of this place, I just switch it off sometimes...
 
Old 03-20-2021, 04:39 PM   #10
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I'm not entirely sure why writing is so important...
I understand* that writing is important from the learning aspect because it reinforces the information entering the student's eyes and ears. I suspect that it works better than typing because touch typing is not a common skill taught in schools, so hunting and pecking on a keyboard doesn't get in the way; being able to quickly add a picture to the class notes (in my experience) helps the learning process.

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...I learned how to write and my cursive and such was quite beautiful back in the day. Now, 30 years later after spending the majority of my time on a computer my writing might make kindergarten level...
Me too. Until I rediscoverd my old fountain pen, and now I can read my notes to myself again.


*Which means: "I'm pretty sure there's been at least one study, but it's too early in the morning to look for it".
 
Old 03-20-2021, 06:58 PM   #11
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I think this depends somewhat on school system...
Schools in my area starts with Chromebook at 2nd grade (or 2nd standard for folks outside the US). But there is a balance, students are still required to do a lot of writing in class. And from 3rd grade some homework is also done in hand writing.
Maybe in the future hand writing perhaps may not be as important, but personally I believe proper grammar is more important. And, feel like that is getting lost.
 
Old 03-20-2021, 08:19 PM   #12
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personally I believe proper grammar is more important. And, feel like that is getting lost.
I agree wholeheartedly. Back when I taught business writing (which I did in one incarnation) I would remind my classes that grammar is the rules of the road of language. If persons obey the rules of the road, transportation is facilitated. The same applies to communication.

In a larger view, I think much of this, at least in the States, stemmed from the freak-out over STEM training sparked by the dot-com boom. Persons forgot that, if students learn how to think logically and solve problems, they can master tech. Instead, many started emphasizing teaching tech and teaching with tech, forgetting that the tech keeps morphing, whereas logic and problem-solving are always with us.

This does not mean that I think tech has no place in education, because it's become a fixture in daily life (and especially in these viral times), but I fear many have forgotten that technology (from the wheel and the plow on up through the centuries) is tools for getting stuff done, as opposed to an end in itself.

Just my two cents.
 
Old 03-21-2021, 04:00 AM   #13
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When I was at primary school, everyone learned to read and write. I'm sure there were some dyslexic people then as now, but it certainly wasn't common. We learned our letters first, none of this guessing words by their shape. Then we made up stories and wrote them in special excercise books that had interleaved lines for the teacher and the child. You told the teacher what you wanted to write next and she wrote it out for you. Then you copied it.

Once we could write our own words without having to copy, we had to cope with the weird English spelling. I remember we had a book hanging on a hook with a page for each letter and that was where the problem words were kept. If you didn't know how to spell a word, you went to the book first because the chances were someone else had had problems with the same word. If it wasn't in the book, you asked the teacher and then you wrote the word in the book for the benefit of the others.
 
Old 03-21-2021, 08:35 AM   #14
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They use iPads at my son's school, but they also focus on writing, grammar and spelling. From my perspective, his education is far better and more thorough than mine was, so I can't relate to either the negative comments nor "nostalgia" posted here.

What I do recall from my school years, is pupils and teachers, who were overtly racist towards black children - teachers in particular who made "jokes" at the expense of black children. Personally, I have no desire to return to those times.

I agree with jsb, in that the more worrying aspects of education is that it is clearly focused on turning out unthinking drones for the jobs market.
 
Old 03-21-2021, 09:42 AM   #15
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They use iPads at my son's school, but they also focus on writing, grammar and spelling. From my perspective, his education is far better and more thorough than mine was, so I can't relate to either the negative comments nor "nostalgia" posted here.

What I do recall from my school years, is pupils and teachers, who were overtly racist towards black children - teachers in particular who made "jokes" at the expense of black children. Personally, I have no desire to return to those times.

I agree with jsb, in that the more worrying aspects of education is that it is clearly focused on turning out unthinking drones for the jobs market.
My nieces are in school, and they use Chromebooks. They also have a LOT of writing/grammar/spelling to focus on, as well as a good bit of STEM, along with roman numerals and cursive, and this is standard public-school fare here. The fact they haven't had to go to a classroom in more than a year and be exposed to a virus and still be able to get an education is a much better thing not having that ability.

Not sure what the OP is ranting about, but perhaps the 5G has been 'bad' for him: https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...ml#post6232309

I remember school VERY well, and the aforementioned attitudes were prevalent, and I'd much rather not have it, than go back. Along with how teachers in general could behave towards some students they 'liked' and ones they didn't. Accountability for ones actions is good.
 
  


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