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Old 06-16-2022, 05:11 PM   #31
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Unlike the US and NATO, Russia has a powerful and well-trained military which is capable of winning wars exactly as they have planned.
This seems precisely backwards: Russia has a powerful political administration, which plans wars exactly as much as its military is capable of winning them (or at least they can adjust the plans when things don't turn out perfectly, as in the initial round of the Ukraine invasion). Whereas the US has much more powerful and well-trained military, but they consistently make plans for wars that cannot be won (or at least if they start out winning they adjust the plans to lose instead, as in the initial successful invasion of Afghanistan).
 
Old 06-17-2022, 08:00 AM   #32
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Like it or not, "Putin is not going anywhere." He is a powerful and very popular leader of a self-sufficient country that is a major energy supplier to all of Europe: energy for which they have no alternative source. Unlike the United States, Russia still manufactures whatever it needs. Unlike the US and NATO, Russia has a powerful and well-trained military which is capable of winning wars exactly as they have planned. And this is exactly what will happen here. Although Western grifters would like this war to "last forever," just like their various also-profitable exercises in Middle Eastern deserts, they do not have the power to do so. Russia is firmly in charge of this. They will accomplish their mission, dictate peace terms, and be done with what years of futile diplomacy could never do.

Russia does not need the West, but the West needs Russia.

Shipments of weapons and other materials of war must travel by truck or train across what is now hostile territory, and these are quite-routinely being blown up by targeted missiles for which there is no effective defense. Video game characters notwithstanding, the Ukranians have no control over their skies. If you don't have that, you're a sitting duck wherever you are.

The Ukranians have already lost this war, but they still refuse to acknowledge it. Russia has committed barely 5% of its military power to this operation. Game over. Putin stays.
Have you seen the speech of Mr. Putin at the economic forum?

https://www.republicworld.com/world-...ticleshow.html

The full video is available on the web.

Actually, the post you wrote goes into this direction. Russia is actually economically very independant and very powerful. He mentioned as well, that US promotes ideas of the "US supremacy".
 
Old 06-17-2022, 01:15 PM   #33
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Believe it or not, "the West™" accounts for slightly less than one-third of the population of this grand orbiting rock. There are many other economic systems, including currency-exchanges and online trading systems to support them, which have nothing to do with "the West.™" And it so happens that both Russia and China are very heavily involved in all of them. "The West™" of course refuses to acknowledge their existence, or their importance. Even though their total economic volume is several times larger.

It is also ironic that the United States, easily the most belligerent and self-confident of all the nations of "the West,™" is well on its way to becoming one of the weakest. During World Wars I and II, the USA could sit on its side of the pond, mostly protected by it, and "out-manufacture anyone and everyone." But it gave away almost all of that domestic manufacturing capability to a nation which one day might well be its military enemy ... thus handing them a perhaps-insurmountable military advantage. If "all those thousands of container ships in the Pacific Ocean" were ever turned back by their Chinese owners, or if they became someone's juicy military target, then the USA would have no recourse and could not construct one in time. The USA has allowed herself to willingly become an actor in Bruce Springsteen's "Glory Days." Today she is in no position to fight or to participate in a world war.

During the Battle of Midway, Japan learned that the Battleship was no longer the queen of the waves. Thanks to the hypersonic missile, the USA would quickly discover that the Aircraft Carrier Battle Group isn't either.

Therefore, we would do well to remember a line from War Games: "The only way to win ... is not to play."

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Old 06-17-2022, 11:52 PM   #34
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Have you seen the speech of Mr. Putin at the economic forum?

republicworld.com/world-news/russia-ukraine-crisis/putin-to-chair-2022-st-petersburg-international-economic-forum-take-a-look-at-his-agenda-articleshow.html

The full video is available on the web.

Actually, the post you wrote goes into this direction. Russia is actually economically very independant and very powerful. He mentioned as well, that US promotes ideas of the "US supremacy".
So, Putin speaking about himself on an event hosted by himself in his own quasi-totalitarian country, reported by a right-wing biased media outlet from one of the very few countries in this world that are not against Russia, is your idea of a credible source.

Got it.
 
Old 06-25-2022, 03:47 AM   #35
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And there it is again.
(Dark) foreigners have been treated unequally by Ukrainian people & officials.
Pray, why do you bring this up in this context? Do you seriously think the rest of the world believes Ukrainians are some sort of always politically correct angels? Or are you insinuating something even more sinister here? Spit it out, no more "Just asking questions"!
To point to racism?
Racism is the issue.
 
Old 06-25-2022, 03:54 AM   #36
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One would have thought that Germany, a large chunk of which was occupied by the Soviets within living memory, would have been more suspicious of a Russia led by a man who was in the KGB when it was murdering east Germans.
Do you know any Germans from eastern Germany? Have you had any conversations with them about that time period?
My students are mostly Germans, they speak about it pretty often.
 
Old 06-25-2022, 04:02 AM   #37
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one of the very few countries in this world that are not against Russia
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...s_2022.svg.png

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Believe it or not, "the West™" accounts for slightly less than one-third of the population of this grand orbiting rock. There are many other economic systems, including currency-exchanges and online trading systems to support them, which have nothing to do with "the West.™" And it so happens that both Russia and China are very heavily involved in all of them. "The West™" of course refuses to acknowledge their existence, or their importance. Even though their total economic volume is several times larger.
Yes.

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Old 06-25-2022, 08:26 AM   #38
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That's about sanctions.
I was talking about this:
https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/...mal/26946.jpeg
 
Old 06-25-2022, 08:55 AM   #39
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That's about sanctions.
I was talking about this:
https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/...mal/26946.jpeg
the map is non accurate.
 
Old 06-25-2022, 11:22 AM   #40
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Sources: UN, media reports, Statista research
:/ Vague references, no citing of the actual sources of data. (None on the parent page either.)

Wikipedia has Government and intergovernmental reactions to the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine which contains a variety of map charts, along with sourced reactions.

The first map has stripes which seems to combine statements from those in power and of UN representatives (e.g. see Afghanistan or Myanmar), but I'm still not sure it conveys positions as well as it could: compare the varied stances of Mongolia, Uzbekistan, India, South Africa, Bolivia - all listed as "neutral", but they're saying different things.

Anyhow, it at least provides something a bit more tangible to use for any arguments over accuracy...

 
Old 06-25-2022, 12:49 PM   #41
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That's about sanctions.
I was talking about this:
https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/...mal/26946.jpeg
You do know some of the countries on that map were forced to condemn it?
Remember how NATO says nations have the right of choice?
They do, if it suits NATO.
If it doesn't suit them, they will be forced to do as NATO threatens.

For example, my country is blue on that map only because we were threatened.

Public opinion is that we should stay neutral, though.
Because being neutral is the only way to be against the WW3. We don't want to be dragged into the war.

As for the Germans...
 
Old 06-26-2022, 02:15 AM   #42
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:/ Vague references, no citing of the actual sources of data. (None on the parent page either.)

Wikipedia has Government and intergovernmental reactions to the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine which contains a variety of map charts, along with sourced reactions.
Fair enough, but the second map on the wikipedia page (UN General Assembly Resolution) looks very much like the one I provided.
Most importantly, these images of statistics are about the thing I actually talked about and not about something else (sanctions).

Now, let's talk about the rest of my post:
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So, Putin speaking about himself on an event hosted by himself in his own quasi-totalitarian country, reported by a right-wing biased media outlet (...), is your idea of a credible source.
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You do know some of the countries on that map were forced to condemn it?
Remember how NATO says nations have the right of choice?
They do, if it suits NATO.
If it doesn't suit them, they will be forced to do as NATO threatens.

For example, my country is blue on that map only because we were threatened.

Public opinion is that we should stay neutral, though.
Can you back any of that with relevant sources?
Esp. the first part, about NATO.

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