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Old 06-06-2022, 11:46 AM   #1
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Why Germany does not help Ukraine?


Hi,

Recent news showed that Germany still depends on Gas and they do not help.

Why Germany does not help Ukraine? Is it due to these bounds with Gas?

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Old 06-06-2022, 12:01 PM   #2
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Hi,

Recent news showed that Germany still depends on Gas and they do not help.

Why Germany does not help Ukraine? Is it due to these bounds with Gas?

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Germany also doesnt help many other countries. World is sick and tired of Europe centric news and politics We (non white people world) care for ukraine same as any other needy nation.
Frustrating to see only the needs of white ukraine people pushed to top of conversation.
 
Old 06-06-2022, 12:04 PM   #3
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https://youtu.be/sgHQknJnuRk
 
Old 06-06-2022, 12:07 PM   #4
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https://youtu.be/KBRwmTVVKQk
 
Old 06-06-2022, 12:09 PM   #5
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https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...lz-2022-06-01/
 
Old 06-06-2022, 12:09 PM   #6
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https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/28/e...ntl/index.html
 
Old 06-06-2022, 02:13 PM   #7
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Recent news showed that Germany still depends on Gas and they do not help.
Why Germany does not help Ukraine? Is it due to these bounds with Gas?
Once again, you throw out a broad statement like that without anything to back it up with.
But I will try...

First of all, Germany does help in many ways.

I suppose you are refering to their reluctance to send heavy weaponry - that is a complex topic and, frankly, I understand the criticism. But they did now, didn't they? TBH, I'm not up to scratch on the numbers, and I didn't take a closer look at all European countries wrt this. Did you?

Then, the gas. Yes, Germany relies heavily on gas. More so than other countries around them. And yes, most of it comes from Russia.
But Germany is a country rather driving the EU sanctions forward than holding them back, so I'm still not exactly clear on what you mean.

Let's also not forget that until very recently it was considered normal to do business with Russians - naturally more so in countries that are close to it, e.g. Eastern and Central Europe.

I suspect you are worried, then you read some flashy news without details and are swept away by the sentiment - but that's not how news work. Critical thinking is always required. Checking sources, seeing through the BS.

And there it is again.
(Dark) foreigners have been treated unequally by Ukrainian people & officials.
Pray, why do you bring this up in this context? Do you seriously think the rest of the world believes Ukrainians are some sort of always politically correct angels? Or are you insinuating something even more sinister here? Spit it out, no more "Just asking questions"!
 
Old 06-06-2022, 03:31 PM   #8
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I suspect you are worried, then you read some flashy news without details and are swept away by the sentiment - but that's not how news work. Critical thinking is always required. Checking sources, seeing through the BS.
I suspect you're right. It's important to try to find the right news sources, and not talk show/Comedy Central tripe.
 
Old 06-06-2022, 05:14 PM   #9
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I suspect you're right. It's important to try to find the right news sources, and not talk show/Comedy Central tripe.
ah, check the news.

It is the size of the country (economy, gdp) divided by the Millions, they spend to help.
Italy and Germany come last. US, UK and Poland come first.

- Concerning Gas, DE did promises, that they did not follow.
- Same thing for they military supply (i.e. tank). They mentioned to send them, but they never did. They argued, that they don't want to provide this kind of material.
 
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This article from Der Speigel International seems relevant to this thread.
 
Old 06-06-2022, 11:49 PM   #11
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^ That certainly paints a more differentiated picture. Very interesting article!
If OP manages to read beyond the first few paragraphs, it also provides answers to their too-broad question, under "A Long-Standing Taboo".
Once again, about the reluctance to send in (heavy) weaponry, I largely concur with the criticism. It needs to happen. Not in August, now.
It makes sense that Germany doesn't want to be the first to do so, but to dawdle at the very end of the queue, while still following it, doesn't make sense at all.
All that delaying even though Germany (both its people and leadership) is firmly on Ukraine's side in this conflict... *smh*
 
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"https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/olaf-scholz-and-ukraine-why-has-germany-been-so-slow-to-deliver-weapons-a-7cc8397b-2448-49e6-afa5-00311c8fedce" is a good picture. It misses a bit the budget, which is spent of each country in EU.

Germany should be at top of list or much higher. They have somehow kinda a part of responsibility in this story (moral).
 
Old 06-07-2022, 10:36 AM   #13
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Germany should be at top of list or much higher.
No, it shouldn't. Read the latter half of the article as I suggested.
But it shouldn't be doing what it's currently doing (pretty much nothing) either.
 
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One would have thought that Germany, a large chunk of which was occupied by the Soviets within living memory, would have been more suspicious of a Russia led by a man who was in the KGB when it was murdering east Germans. But the SPD do have a track record of appeasement. The Balts and the Poles have been far more cautious.
 
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Russia is not "the Soviets."
 
  


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