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Old 10-26-2018, 04:08 PM   #1
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Why do some articles use ligatures?


I paid a cellphone bill today. I printed out the receipt as a file for my records. To save space I converted it to text. So doing revealed that it had spelled 'reflected' with the fl ligature instead of the letters f and l.

Earlier this year https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/16/m...in-bubble.html spelled 'sniffing' with the ffi ligature.

BTW, if you search that page for the word 'sniffing' you won't find it, 'cause the search tool reads the source. I suppose that's a useful trick to throw off spiders.
 
Old 10-27-2018, 04:31 AM   #2
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that's so weird.

the "ffi" in question consists of 1 character: "ffi"

i always thought the fonts decide about ligatures.
 
Old 10-27-2018, 11:19 AM   #3
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Search for the word sniffing and find nothing? Someone could have asked for this. Ask him, why...

The ffi character is different from ffi. If your font asks for it, there should be a way to enforce it. The reason is pure typography, but I am not a font-author, myself.
 
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BTW, if you search that page for the word 'sniffing' you won't find it, 'cause the search tool reads the source. I suppose that's a useful trick to throw off spiders.
What else could a search tool read? The source is all there is.

I can only presume that the author included the ligature, I'm guessing unintentionally. Much like one gets "smart quotes" when composing a web page in Word. An unintended consequence.
 
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It's possible to spell-check words with ligatures, if the dictionary file is suitably modified. For searching, I suspect you could do it with OpenType or Graphite fonts in use, but I haven't tried it. LO obviously needs to know that the fi ligature is equivalent to fi and it's the font which tells it. The ligatures would be there if the author was using an smart font with automatic ligatures.
 
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What else could a search tool read? The source is all there is.
It could render it first. I've often wanted a search tool that turned up only displayed content.

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I can only presume that the author included the ligature, I'm guessing unintentionally. Much like one gets "smart quotes" when composing a web page in Word. An unintended consequence.
It'd be a weird choice in either case. ae ligature yields ; oe ligature yields ; sz ligature yields , all of which appear in current literature, but the fi, ffi, and fl ligatures are archaic only - unless I've missed it. The browsers I've used render them the same as non-ligature.
 
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the fi, ffi, and fl ligatures are archaic only - unless I've missed it.
They're still used in good quality printing i.e. Cambridge or O'Reilly rather than self-published at Lulu.
 
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They're still used in good quality printing i.e. Cambridge or O'Reilly rather than self-published at Lulu.
Thanks. I'm surprised. I don't think I've ever seen them displayed in such a way that I could tell the difference. Are they kerned?
 
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They're still used in good quality printing i.e. Cambridge or O'Reilly rather than self-published at Lulu.
this really confuses me.
i always thougth it was the fonts themselves doing that - so the writer doesn't need to think about it.
i.e., you normally type ffi, and the font used to display the text in the end makes the ligature.
which in fact it does, at least with the font i'm using, you can hardly tell the difference between "ffi" and "ffi".
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Much like one gets "smart quotes" when composing a web page in Word.
That's what you get for trying that!
 
  


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