Which country has the best tolerance, respect and highest education ranking?
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I would think that in the US your education depends almost entirely upon how much money you have, or how good at sport you are.
For Tolerance and Respect the Scandinavian countries are very egalitarian and they tend to spend a lot on aid of various types and get involved in actual peace keeping (as opposed to just invasions).
I think as far as the population goes the UK is a pretty tolerant place, despite what some may have you believe about Brexit, and the UK is pretty multicultural in many places. UK secondary education though is a bit patchy, with a lot depending upon the area you live in, and for higher education, like the US, money talks.
Personally, if I could settle anywhere then in my current situation (single, too old for more education) I'd likely choose the Netherlands for the liberal attitude, if I were to raise a family I'd want to be somewhere in Scandinavia due to quality of life.
For Tolerance and Respect the Scandinavian countries are very egalitarian
Not lately. The period from the 1950's through the 1980's is very much over and part of history. That culture may persist in decreasingly small pockets for a generation or three at most but the society you might have read about, or maybe just imagined based on rumor, has been quite gone for a decade or two. It's a great loss, but there is no fight to preserve it like there once was to create it, only appeasement and ceding of space economically and culturally.
My guess, based on lots of travels, would be Canada, hands-down. However, that information, too, is old. I don't know the recent situation there.
i can speak for finland - education, vocational training, is practically free (i paid maybe 100 credits for a 3-year vocational training) in almost all cases, and in most cases you also get support for living costs, transport etc.
same for health care & insurance.
i know many international couples who move back to finland before the first baby comes. the special health care program for mother & child during the first six years is unparalleled. and free.
everybody has health insurance in finland, full stop.
you can argue about its quality, but it's there.
immigrants can get finnish nationality after only a few years of permanent residency + a basic language test.
language schooling is provided.
everybody has health insurance in finland, full stop.
There's are fairly crucial differences between universal insurance and universal health care. I thought there was actual universal health care in Finland and that insurance was just for the employers who are covered for when an employee is out.
About the equality, that has been rated quite good a few years ago, top in the EU. Nothing stands still ever. Which direction would you say it is being pushed?
There's are fairly crucial differences between universal insurance and universal health care.
no, i did mean health care.
tbh i don't know what the difference would be, but it definitely includes healthcare.
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About the equality, that has been rated quite good a few years ago, top in the EU. Nothing stands still ever. Which direction would you say it is being pushed?
oh, you mean income equality.
yes, i still think the differences are pretty small compared to some other so-called developed countries.
both in actual income and in acceptance of people who work in what might be stigmatized as "menial labor" in other countries.
a friend once told me how a friend of their's, who was from south america, just could not grasp the fact that a member of the finnish parliament had a relationship with a homosexual hairdresser.
after some discussion it came out that the homosexuality wasn't the problem, but the difference in social status.
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no, i did mean health care.
tbh i don't know what the difference would be, but it definitely includes healthcare.
The difference is that, for example, here in the UK one is given entirely free healthcare* no matter whether one has worked, not worked, paid "national insurance"(a fund supposedly for things like that) or not. There is health insurance but it is voluntary and entitles one to a better standard of healthcare and more choices in the details of that healthcare.
In order to have any kind of insurance one must have money to pay such -- in the UK one need not have any money to receive full health care*.
*For some reason, dentistry is not free in the UK (which, to me, is insulting and criminal) and prescription medication has a nominal fee if one earns enough to not be eligible for certain benefits.
In almost all the surveys I've seen (I can't cite them as I did not bookmark them at the time), the Scandinavian countries are generally ranked as the best places to live, in terms of health care, income equality, standard of living, education, etc. etc. etc.
Despite its native jingoism and self-absorbed navel-gazing, the United States is commonly ranked somewhere in the middle; the individual ranking may vary depending on the particular element being evaluated.
no, i did mean health care.
tbh i don't know what the difference would be, but it definitely includes healthcare.
The difference is that with universal health care, sometimes called single-payer, money goes into a pool to pay for health care, health care infrastructure, and financing infrastructure. This is what Canada has. It is cost effective and results in higher availability of treatment at lower costs. With health insurance, you also have the costs of health care, health care infrastructure, and financing infrastructure but on top of that you have the costs for not just maintaining an additional financial structure but also a layers skimmed off for industry profit. This is (kind of) what the US has[*]. It is the least cost effective and leaves large numbers without health care but all at the highest cost. Because this insurance is usually provided via the employer, there your average employee is almost as tied to a place of work as an H1-B.
[*] Technically the US has decided for universal health care but not decided a way to do it. That is show by the fact that emergency rooms are legally obligated to provide treatment. Not that all actually do, but the legal obligation is there.
About the education, PISA evaluations show both Finland and Canada as performing well, last time things were checked, even if Singapore is in the top in that category. However, that does not take into account any direction of change or rate of change, that might or might not be happening. Back with the health example, you can see how suddenly and rapidly the NHS in the UK deteriorated once enough political parties made it a mission to tear it down. The same can easily happen with schooling. There are no economic short cuts that can be taken with schooling, especially primary and secondary. Any cuts end up costing far more once the exposed students start graduating and are supposed to enter the workforce.
thanks for the explanation.
i guess it's mostly public health care in finland then.
but everyone has the option to get additional health insurance, and individual costs can be partly covered by the public health care system.
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There are no economic short cuts that can be taken with schooling, especially primary and secondary. Any cuts end up costing far more once the exposed students start graduating and are supposed to enter the workforce.
thanks for the explanation.
i guess it's mostly public health care in finland then.
but everyone has the option to get additional health insurance, and individual costs can be partly covered by the public health care system.
thanks for pointing this out one more time.
Isn't The Netherlands having better education system than in Finland?
If you want to talk about tolerant then you have to mention the Republic of Ireland, the first country where same-sex marriage was brought in as a result of an open public referendum rather than background politics.
Education here is also pretty good with college/university places handled by a central applications office and a points based system, making it a meritocracy rather then purely based on financial situation.
Health care is kind of hybrid, while there is free healthcare there's also insurance based care available. Certain medical conditions are exempt from any fees, and things like drug prescriptions are "capped" on a monthly household basis (currently €150/~$160)
Very multi-cultural, certainly in Dublin. The country is certainly very "pro-Europe".
I kind of disagree with some of the posts here. So I'll take the devils advocate here.
" tolerant then you have to mention the Republic of Ireland" Is that the same country that blows up people based on religion?
Singapore, isn't that the country that allows crooks to put their money in the banks and keep secret? Oh, death to marijuana dealers is OK.
Canada is falling apart from the dual language issue and will become 2 countries next election. Sadly they will let you die waiting for medical but it's free. A relative of mine uses US insurance to get real treatment. What about taking the weapons from native peoples?
I have relatives in all these countries and have been to a them many times.
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