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View Poll Results: What percentage of you can do everything from the commandline?
1% to 25% 2 6.90%
25% to 50% 7 24.14%
50% to 75% 7 24.14%
75% to 100% 13 44.83%
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Old 10-06-2018, 05:40 AM   #16
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I use the gui for almost everything, mostly because Magiea has a very good control centre.
I recently had to use the cmd line to install some brother printer drivers - no biggie
dont know what the fuss is about
actually had to use the cmd line / powershell in windows more than linux
 
Old 10-06-2018, 05:45 AM   #17
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Wow! I didn't know that Windows still had a command line. It just shows how out of date I am. When I used to use Windows, it used DOS Command as its CLI and that was pretty primitive compared to the mainframe shells I was used to.

Is Powershell a proper shell? I mean, does it have flow of control structures, variables and so on?

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Old 10-06-2018, 05:57 AM   #18
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Is Powershell a proper shell? I mean, does it have flow of control structures, variables and so on?
I don't think so, though that might be the eventual goal. It's still rather half-baked and missing a lot of features last I read but can't find any good references on that at the moment among all the link spam about it in the search engines. I do notice that there is a heck of a lot of malware for it though. I expect that M$ still has ways of banning benchmarking and reviews.

I do recall reading 10+ years ago that tcsh had been ported to that legacy OS.
 
Old 10-06-2018, 09:00 AM   #19
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Wow! I didn't know that Windows still had a command line. It just shows how out of date I am. When I used to use Windows, it used DOS Command as its CLI and that was pretty primitive compared to the mainframe shells I was used to.

Is Powershell a proper shell? I mean, does it have flow of control structures, variables and so on?
windows still has command line
also has powershell
just completed a basic course in it ( got proper ms certificate even )
has variables, pipes etc
just another tool as far as I'm concerned
no doubt the various fanbois will argue whose dick is bigger
 
Old 10-06-2018, 01:15 PM   #20
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I had this conversation in person about a year back.

"Oh come on. What can a GUI give you that command-line tools can't?"

"Video thumbnails."

"He has a point."
Well, you could....

https://github.com/saitoha/libsixel

You can even use RetroArch with libsixel!
 
Old 10-07-2018, 07:29 AM   #21
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50% - 75%

i could use more command line but sometimes are just lazy and use gui progs. (vi / geany for example)
 
Old 10-07-2018, 03:02 PM   #22
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I don't get this Poll. It is so broad and diffuse. First off "everything" can be very different for one user than another. One of my boxes was a headless server and quite naturally everything it required was 100% CLI. However I haven't played a CLI game for decades back when old BBSes hosted D&D text games.

The lack of specificity of this poll also seems to ignore that each has it's advantages and disadvantages. For some things CLI is just faster and more efficient. For some other work "a picture is worth a thousand words" and GUI excels. FWIW on my main box these days, I spend about 20% of the time in a terminal (a good bit of that on Slackware Runlevel 3 - MultiUser Terminal, and the rest in a GUI.
 
Old 10-09-2018, 12:00 PM   #23
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I wish I still could.

This time last year I had an asus 2 gig surf with no GUI that could pretty much do everything I actually would have needed to do online: check email with Alpine, surf the web with Lynx or W3M, read the news on Newsbeuter, listen to music on Cmus, organize my life on Calcurse, etc.

But the web changed or I changed to accommodate "normal" society and somehow that project has gone so far to the back burner that I don't even know if that computer boots any more.

Not only is this sad, I think it is completely unnecessary and that it is okay to have different priorities in life and that mine would be not only more enjoyable but more productive if I let myself enjoy Linux because it's Linux, not just because it is a "get out of using proprietary software" free pass sometimes.

I'm too old to work in Windows or socialize with those who do so who cares.
 
Old 10-09-2018, 03:44 PM   #24
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Now that I'm using Linux for my laptop, I currently do 25-50% of stuff using command line. I could fairly easily do 50-75%, but there is a reason for the gui. Whenever I boot up, the first thing I do is open a terminal. I may set it to do that automatically, but I don't reboot very often. When I was on Windows, I would do a reboot maybe once/month just because I had to. It'll be less often now, probably just when an upgrade requires it.
 
Old 10-09-2018, 04:31 PM   #25
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What percentage of you can do everything from the commandline?

Just my fingers.
 
Old 10-12-2018, 07:49 PM   #26
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and when ffmpeg gets a GUI front-end, what percentage then?
 
Old 10-12-2018, 08:26 PM   #27
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I could do close to 90% of the things I do over the command line - assuming browsh is an allowed tool in this competition. The thing is that I don't want to - and, after having spent enough time with various Plan 9 utilities, I'm not even sure whether some of the things I thought were best done over the CLI wouldn't be more efficient over a GUI at all.

The ability to make your life harder than it could be should not be seen as an achievement.

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Old 10-13-2018, 06:19 PM   #28
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I really don't get the lack of understanding I seem to see here where most seem to think that CLI is a burden rather than an efficient tool ... or the reverse that a GUI is some sort of "caving in" resigning oneself to weakness. The simple facts are that what we commonly like to do is routine and repetitive and there a GUI icon does a great job since it is essentially a Macro or a script linking to a single iteration of a combination of command(s) and switches. That's just perfect for doing the same thing repeatedly. It is far more efficient to click on a single icon than it is to type out 20+ characters every time for some apps. That said, bash history and such makes that a single keystroke AND delivers feedback on the process hidden when using an icon.

However there is no way to do that for deep tools since each and every usage is commonly not repeated but requires variables. There are no usable equivalents of any efficiency or power to replace so many important commands like "which" "ls" "grep" "sed" and so on for far too many to mention. Obviously some people use their PCs in a manner that never requires such work, but others do and that's exactly why this poll seems rather silly to me. "The right tool for the right job" comes to my mind.

Those who revel in their CLI %ages seem guilty of a bit of "elitism" but that's all. Those who don't bother to learn CLI or even understand how powerful and valuable it can be and when it is faster and more efficient are guilty of choosing ignorance and missing out.

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Old 10-13-2018, 06:29 PM   #29
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I really don't get the lack of understanding I seem to see here where most seem to think that CLI is a burden rather than an efficient tool ... or the reverse that a GUI is some sort of "caving in" resigning oneself to weakness. The simple facts are that what we commonly like to do is routine and repetitive and there a GUI icon does a great job since it is essentially a Macro or a script linking to a single iteration of a combination of command(s) and switches. That's just perfect for doing the same thing repeatedly. It is far more efficient to click on a single icon than it is to type out 20+ characters every time for some apps. That said, bash history and such makes that a single keystroke AND delivers feedback on the process hidden when using an icon.

However there is no way to do that for deep tools since each and every usage is commonly not repeated but requires variables. There are no usable equivalents of any efficiency or power to replace so many important commands like "which" "ls" "grep" "sed" and so on for far too many to mention. Obviously some people use their PCs in a manner that never requires such work, but others do and that's exactly why this poll seems rather silly to me. "The right tool for the right job" comes to my mind.

Those who revel in their CLI %ages seem guilty of a bit of "elitism" but that's all. Those who don't bother to learn CLI or even understand how powerful and valuable it can be and when it is faster and more efficient are guilty of choosing ignorance and missing out.
That's the key right there.
 
Old 10-13-2018, 07:06 PM   #30
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I didn't vote because no choice accurately represents my CLI to GUI ratio usage. It really depends on what I am trying to accomplish. There are some tasks better geared towards the CLI and some for the GUI. Why should I run virtual machines from the CLI when I can double click an icon to launch one? For containers, the work I do is at the CLI, no point in running a GUI for a container that houses one application or service, use a terminal. Editing graphics or videos is pointless at the CLI (minus batch edits) when you have Gimp, Blender, or Openshot. Furthermore, if I am on my Asus 2g Surf, a GUI will not run, but the machine is still useful. On my main laptop I have 3 monitors (one being the laptop screen), so why would I stick to the CLI with all that screen real estate?


This poll is a loaded question because nobody has the same workflow or hardware. The backgrounds and skill sets of the people at LQ are not the same at all. Furthermore, many of us are running different Linux environments.
 
  


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