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Old 11-03-2009, 06:31 PM   #31
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Ok, newbiesforever I understand your point of view.. but I'm sure I haven't be so clear as I would to be..
I don't care about Christian moral or something else like that.. What I want to say is that we need to trust people a little bit more than how we actually do.. Stallman isn't born yesterday, his history, his career and what he did is well know.. Why we need to insinuate that he takes money in a shameful way??
He need to do that? He had choose a difficult way to express his idea.. and now why should he ruin everything for a question like money? If he was interested in money I think that he has had a lot of possibilities to be rich, today..

That's my opinion..



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WTF
WTF WTF????
 
Old 11-03-2009, 06:39 PM   #32
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No one is suggesting that he is doing anything illegal or immoral, it seems to me that it's an idle question, not an accusation.
 
Old 11-04-2009, 04:10 AM   #33
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I admit that I'm laughing at Stallman
I understand people can agree or not with some of his ideas (and I'm one of them) but it looks to me nonconstructive gratuitously laughing at anyone.
What exactly is the issue you have with rms not ostensibly making money ?
Isn't it illogical and ungrateful while at the same time using for free technologies that he either created or supported ?
 
Old 11-04-2009, 05:51 AM   #34
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nwebiesforever wrote:
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It's nothing about Stallman's software views that I laugh at. It's not even his personality, which I can't learn much about because, as someone said, he's a man of mystery. It's his background and his current eccentric behavior. I don't respect the hacker subculture, and from what I have read of them, I suspect that they were too insular, and too full of themselves, to have any respect for the computing world outside their subculture. So companies wrote software, and decided they wanted to protect their profits by no longer sharing their source code. (Unless they actually didn't write it in the first place.) It was an outrage! Probably even "unethical" and "antisocial!" More recently, since I believe in free software (I'd better, if I use it), I'm hardly annoyed by what is sometimes perceived as intransigence from him; but I suspect that it's the college student/hacker subculture at work again, and am amused. He probably doesn't handle not getting his way very well. Because there's nothing wrong with being a middle-aged nerd, I find it barely worth mentioning that he sounds like one, but more of interest is that he also sounds like an overgrown college student who carries his hacker subculture bubble with him and tries his damnedest not to leave it.
especially this part:
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It's his background and his current eccentric behavior. I don't respect the hacker subculture, and from what I have read of them, I suspect that they were too insular, and too full of themselves, to have any respect for the computing world outside their subculture. So companies wrote software, and decided they wanted to protect their profits by no longer sharing their source code.
you got a qoute/proof of that? as what i have read bout the Unix-history is a bit different. i didnt read that much.

newbiesforever wrote:
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He probably doesn't handle not getting his way very well
he didnt get his way?
wikipedia:
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Stallman has also developed a number of pieces of widely-used software, including the original Emacs, the GNU Compiler Collection, and the GNU Debugger.
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Stallman graduated from Harvard magna cum laude earning a BA in Physics in 1974.
and for some people that seems to be sufficient:

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Stallman has received the following recognition for his work:
* 1986: Honorary lifetime membership of the Chalmers University of Technology Computer Society
* 1990: Exceptional merit award MacArthur Fellowship
* 1990: The Association for Computing Machinery's Grace Murray Hopper Award "For pioneering work in the development of the extensible editor EMACS (Editing Macros)."[73]
* 1996: Honorary doctorate from Sweden's Royal Institute of Technology
* 1998: Electronic Frontier Foundation's Pioneer award
* 1999: Yuri Rubinsky Memorial Award[74]
* 2001: The Takeda Techno-Entrepreneurship Award for Social/Economic Well-Being (武田研究奨励賞)
* 2001: Honorary doctorate, from the University of Glasgow
* 2002: United States National Academy of Engineering membership
* 2003: Honorary doctorate, from the Vrije Universiteit Brussel
* 2004: Honorary doctorate, from the Universidad Nacional de Salta.[75]
* 2004: Honorary professorship, from the Universidad Nacional de Ingeniería del Perú.
* 2007: Honorary professorship, from the Universidad Inca Garcilaso de la Vega.
* 2007: Honorary doctorate, from the Universidad de Los Angeles de Chimbote.
* 2007: Honorary doctorate, from the University of Pavia[76]
* 2009: Honorary doctorate, from Lakehead University [77][78]
all from wikipedia, a source which is simple to find:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman


it seems a bit big-headed calling that "not getting his way"...well, i dont know what you have reached so far.
i got a strong feeling most people complaining bout this and that got problems with the way he looks like and do associate more than think.

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and yes, i agree: the question how he does make a living is pointless to what he is (the question is idle). like for anyone else too.

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Old 11-04-2009, 11:08 AM   #35
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I bet newbies needs to know because he has quietly been making plans to become RMS II.
 
Old 11-04-2009, 11:18 AM   #36
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I, uh, don't think so, Jay. I'm a writer and liberal arts student, not a computer science major.
 
Old 11-04-2009, 01:18 PM   #37
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I thought he was engineering an army of cybernetic RMS clones running GNU/Linux to take over the world and implement his dark schemes.
 
Old 11-04-2009, 01:22 PM   #38
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Let's make this multiple choice:

(1) Royalties from the least-squares-method for minimizing RMS; the monogram is copyrighted, or patented or something.

(2) Sugar, spice and everything nice.

(3) No, actually, the trust fund answer was right.
 
Old 11-06-2009, 12:19 AM   #39
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Fig GNUtons
 
Old 11-06-2009, 03:57 AM   #40
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Very GNUtritious.
 
  


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