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Old 10-18-2021, 02:56 PM   #31
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My Pinephone would work as a daily driver for voice and messaging if I were not needing MMS messaging, however, I get a lot of texts with pictures and they simply don't come through at all. SMS all text messages work fine. I hope the Pinephone Pro irons out that feature.
For the record, MMS not working is not a modem or even a phone problem. It's software. Most of the mobile linux devs are not from the US and therefore do not use or even see the need for MMS. This is why it's always been pushed back. MMS is totally possible, several guys have wrote scripts to manually retrieve the links/media and there have been several unmerged PRs to add support to different UI platforms. But it's very slow in getting through to the end user. Too many other more important things to work on.
 
Old 10-19-2021, 01:02 AM   #32
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MMS not working is not a modem or even a phone problem. It's software.
I was thinking the same; how would a new piece of hardware "iron that out".
 
Old 10-19-2021, 01:02 PM   #33
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For the record, MMS not working is not a modem or even a phone problem. It's software...
Right I realize that. And the Pro will probably have the same software as the current model. I've tried several of the available operating systems and none worked in MMS. The attitude out there seems to be that we don't need MMS but I manage rental units and folks send me pictures of broken stuff, that kind of thing, and with anything but pure text the message doesn't come through at all.

So I don't use the Pine as a daily driver but still a very cool machine and a lot of fun to play with.

Here's a link to Lukas Lukasz Erecinski (Pine's Community Manager) doing an interview about the Pinephone Pro a few days ago.

https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comme...last_week_ama/
 
Old 10-19-2021, 02:13 PM   #34
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Thanks for that link - regarding the modem issues earlier in the thread...
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Originally Posted by https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/qald3w/pinephone_pro_was_announced_last_week_ama/hh5stl4/
danhakimi:
> Will it function as a telephone?
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> (why do I have to ask that when new Linux phones are announced?)

Luke_Pine64
> Of course. Issues reported with this modem refer to CDMA networks specifically, so I'd go with a GSM provider.
Does this mean the random rebooting is a CDMA/US-only thing? (I think CDMA is US only; I got lost trying to understand CDMA/GSM explanations.)

Or, if that's a different issue, instead of airplane mode would it work ok over WiFi (i.e. if SIM card was removed)?

Edit: Just checked the hardware page and it suggests WiFi and modem are different hardware that can be independently disabled, so that's handy.


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Old 10-19-2021, 05:55 PM   #35
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Wow!, what more can I say? How do they figure?
 
Old 10-20-2021, 02:15 AM   #36
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^ Yeah I laready noticed the prices going up years ago. AFAIR they started with $699. And all the excuses they made since then, for the delays in shipping... that's actually worse I think. Without the pandemic they'd be the laughing stock of even non-technical users by now.

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Does this mean the random rebooting is a CDMA/US-only thing? (I think CDMA is US only; I got lost trying to understand CDMA/GSM explanations.)
Unfortunately this question never seems to be very important to (potential) users. I get the impression most people are fine with using the PinePhone as a sort of small tablet only

AFAIU CDMA is used in your phone anyhow, for mobile broadband, but only few phones (or networks) use it for the actual telephone line connection:
https://www.reviews.org/mobile/is-my-phone-gsm-or-cdma/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cdma

Also it seems that in the future we'll be seeing more GSMA networks and less GSM networks.

However, around here where I live GSM networks are going strong, old dumb phones still work everywhere, and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

Another question about using the PPP as a phone:
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comme...mment/hh3mkqf/

Also notable:
"would someone like me, with an informal education and a desire to tinker, be a good fit for this product?"
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comme...mment/hh3tolp/

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Old 10-20-2021, 05:24 PM   #37
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There are presently two Pine Phones with one having a convergence package. Just what is this package which requires another fifty dollars?
 
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Right I realize that. And the Pro will probably have the same software as the current model. I've tried several of the available operating systems and none worked in MMS. The attitude out there seems to be that we don't need MMS but I manage rental units and folks send me pictures of broken stuff, that kind of thing, and with anything but pure text the message doesn't come through at all.

So I don't use the Pine as a daily driver but still a very cool machine and a lot of fun to play with.

Here's a link to Lukas Lukasz Erecinski (Pine's Community Manager) doing an interview about the Pinephone Pro a few days ago.

https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comme...last_week_ama/
I am very new at this so bear with my ignorance but what does MMS mean?
 
Old 10-20-2021, 06:40 PM   #39
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There are presently two Pine Phones with one having a convergence package. Just what is this package which requires another fifty dollars?
It has more memory and a very good little docking station / hub (which I am actually using on a different system right now, like it better than the one I had on my laptop).
 
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I am very new at this so bear with my ignorance but what does MMS mean?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multim...saging_Service

Like text messages but allow pictures, file attachments, etc. - the standard "text message" here in the US at least.
 
Old 10-20-2021, 07:29 PM   #41
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It has more memory and a very good little docking station / hub (which I am actually using on a different system right now, like it better than the one I had on my laptop).
That is what I want. Thank you.
 
Old 10-20-2021, 07:29 PM   #42
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Unfortunately this question never seems to be very important to (potential) users. I get the impression most people are fine with using the PinePhone as a sort of small tablet only
I would highly recommend that you lurk in the pinephone channel https://t.me/pinephone of course it's bridged to several other platforms. There's thousands of members on each of the bridged platforms and if you can skim over the useless chatter, there is some very helpful info and updates from people using it/trying to use it every day as well as input from the Pine64 crew and OS developers.
 
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Is the Pine Phone the same as Pine64?
 
Old 10-20-2021, 08:28 PM   #44
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Is the Pine Phone the same as Pine64?
Pine64 == Company. PinePhone == Product.
 
Old 10-20-2021, 11:57 PM   #45
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There are presently two Pine Phones with one having a convergence package. Just what is this package which requires another fifty dollars?
Specs for Convergence Edition: https://pine64.com/product/pinephone...gence-package/

It upgrades memory to 3GB (from 2GB), storage to 32GB (from 16GB), and gets you the branded docking station (which otherwise looks pretty generic). The upgraded memory is the 'killer app,', but the dock is probably what drives the price.
 
  


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