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View Poll Results: What is Music? (Poll added on 6th of May 2012).
Music is beautiful. 87 37.34%
Music is an escape. 85 36.48%
Music is a healer. 69 29.61%
Music is love. 43 18.45%
Music is fun. 63 27.04%
Music is music. 86 36.91%
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Old 05-27-2021, 10:06 AM   #5431
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Hania Rani

It is a 25 minute live session

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFRdoYfZYUY

Then Hugo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8pbCtJjuqo
 
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Wow! rokytnji, thanks! She is amazing.
 
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What can I say... I stay away for a few days and noone talks about 80 year old Bob – I am only a Pop singer – Dylan?

Punishment.

And if you do not hate me now, you need this, too.

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Old 05-29-2021, 03:37 PM   #5434
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Cool

Daydream - The Lovin' Spoonful

"Fortunate" Son - Creedence Clearwater Revival

Rock With You - Michael Jackson

Primus 🎻👾🎸

Lohengrin

The 🌶🌶🌶🌶

HalleBooYa Michael rowing know where - Highwaymen

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Oh. I have Bob Dylan playing on the shop computer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3afm8a4hv1I

Along with Townes Van Zandt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yw8O2mdrxs

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Old 05-29-2021, 05:25 PM   #5436
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Old 05-29-2021, 11:49 PM   #5437
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Talking Ooh wah ah ah ah ...

Where as a mosh pit should pick you up ta get you back in there,,, the law of ignorant borders will kill you!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_Y..._Machine_song)
 
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Supporting a flag supports the plague!
 
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Once again, thank you Michael Uplawski. I hadn't seen that March on Washington clip before and it made me laugh both from staring at the screen trying to see my seriously young face in that crowd (I was about 30-35 feet from that stage) and marveling that Dylan and his entourage struck me as some kind of hillbillys since I had no clue in 1963 about Beatniks-cum-Hippies. All I saw was fringed suede jackets, plaid shirts, blue jeans and long hair. Well it seemed long back then since it would still be a year before The Beatles were on The Ed Sullivan Show and their hair seemed long then. It's hilarious (and insightful) to look back now when their hair doesn't seem the slightest bit long and it would be 2 years before I would discover who and how brilliant Bob Dylan truly was. By the end of '65 when Highway 61 was released, my future was pretty much set. Music as Poetry and Art had arrived.
 
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Rock mostly, disturbed, etc
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Thanks for the heads up. I always like to know where people attitudes stand.

Have a nice day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNM2tV3PA_8

Long Singing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKJ0BhH6zDU

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Old 05-30-2021, 12:22 PM   #5441
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It's hilarious (and insightful) to look back now when their hair doesn't seem the slightest bit long and it would be 2 years before I would discover who and how brilliant Bob Dylan truly was. By the end of '65 when Highway 61 was released, my future was pretty much set. Music as Poetry and Art had arrived.
My stories are lighter in content as they cannot reach back that far and for a diversity of other reasons and other stories.
I have a serious problem with Bob Dylan. But as it is the same with many other artists, especially those, whose work I like, it has to be me and I just wait for enlightenment to hit me.., hopefully not when I am on a ladder fixing pheromone-ribbons in the trees.

In short and as is probably natural from my distant point of observation, I do not understand anything Dylan did. The revelation that all the attributes which could be used to describe his early “style” where elements of a well-reflected concept, rather than expression of anything close to personality and artistic godsend, had unsettled me. Afterwards his handling of that ... “story” with Joan Baez was slightly disgusting.

You know, I threw my “Macbeth” DVD away a few years ago. But now I separate art from its creator... and still feel on the wrong way. The event in Washington is doubly disturbing. What made him accept an invitation or how did he get there? What was he thinking about the cause or just any cause? The Interview I presented goes in the direction of my queries.

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Hello Michael
Yeah Bob Dylan/Robert Zimmerman, something of an enigma for certain but we can iron out some of the wrinkles (many of which he created IMHO as obfuscation, "hiding", etc.) by following his trajectory. Early on all he aspired to was to "be as good as Dave von Ronk". That makes some sense coming from a lower middle class rural Midwest environment but also having the chutzpah to leave, visit his hero Woody Guthrie and then choose to live in Greenwich Village in NYC. At that time he and the Village were very Left Wing, mostly either from relatively lower classes or disenchanted, spoiled rich kids. He and his early cohorts were mostly from the Beatnik community, the word coming from the concept that "I started out already beaten because rich jerks control everything". In Bob's case I think it's important to recognize the complication and energy of conflict since he had a deep disdain for rich people but also wanted to become one. His disdain is completely obvious in songs like "The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carrol" and that really happened mostly exactly as portrayed in the song.

There are lots of accounts of Bob's drug use and though some are likely exaggerated even manufactured, some do have the ring of truth like the book by the guy who went though Bob's trash cans discovering "needles and spoons". It's quite likely that early Dylan was something of a "speed freak" in addition to copious indulgence in alcohol. It does often follow that speeed freaks gravitate to heroin as surmised by Bob's "dumpster diver".

His relationship with Joan Baez seems to follow this conflict. Part of him despised her, or at least her background as an effete "upper class" poseur, while another side of him recognized she could (and did) advance his career. They were "oil and water" who were never going to last long and that griped Joan to no end and later she would say lots of nasty things about Bob in public, and there can be no doubt that a big part of Bob is introverted and vehemently recoiled at the reveal of personal information, especially from down the nose of some spoiled rich girl, let alone the actual "airing of dirty laundry" that he felt threatened him.

I'm not defending Bob Dylan but just recounting the internal conflicts within Robert Zimmerman that shaped him for good and for ill. It should be obvious that despite his protestations that all his songs were simply artistic exercise and constructs, songs like "Ballad in Plain D" are self-evidently extremely personally revealing and utter truth as that really did happen. It's been said that most of Art comes from Pain and Conflict, and in Bob's case I think that applies to a huge degree.
 
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Thanks enorbet.
You add some information and a different point of view to shuffle with what I had already.

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songs like "The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carrol" and that really happened mostly exactly as portrayed in the song.
I believe that the only alteration was the number of her children, as 'eleven' would have been complicated to squeeze into the verse. As regards the remainder...

In “Sara”, there is the line with “writing Sad-Eyed-Lady-Of-The-Lowlands for you” (in a Chelsea Hotel). It took me years to take note of the fact that Joan Baez was in the room, singing ... (probably “Love Minus Zero”, I do not remember), with Bob Dylan nodding with the rhythm. That scene in the documentary about the tour in Britain is awkward, when you know that Joan later came to visit Bob and Sara opened the door.

I knew nothing about dirty laundry.., just „Diamonds and Rust”.
 
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Offhand, since I really didn't pay much attention to Joan Baez after about 1966, I do recall some interview where she was talking about Bob's famous suede jacket he loved so much with here describing it covered in puke stains and yesterday's lunch and his mood as "maudlin and mean". One only has to listen to "Positively 4th Street" or "Desolation Row" to get it that Bob could be ascerbic, but it's also easy to figure Bob would be offended to say the least by her apparent betrayal... not that he didn't also betray her at the very least in her mind.

I guess the point is that Bob Dylan/Robert Zimmerman is just human and being also a prolific artist, perhaps especially growing up where and when he did, all contributes to an already complex character. Similarly, I doubt being pals with Micaelangelo, Picasso, or Dylan Thomas was a joy ride. I suspect "Season in Hell" is both historical and prophetic.
 
  


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