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Old 12-10-2003, 03:11 PM   #1
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what can i say to this guy?


I was posting on a Howard Stern message board, when we started to debate M$/Linux?MacOS...this is what he said-
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You are wrong sir. You can run Windows XP/2k/NT from a command line. However it is not DOS. It can emulate DOS 5.0. There are specific commands that will only run in an XP/2K/NT environment. As for linux. Its a cheap grass Unix rip off. You talk a lot about linux. fire up photoshop on it for me? How about MS word fire that up on you linux box? Fruck linux's in its wanna be Unix grasshole BTW Novell will come out wiht a real Linux soon
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I figured maybe i could get some facts here. This guy is saying that the new MACosX is more UNIX like than Linux, and that Linux is crap. I love my linux, and know you guys do....so i was wondering if you could help me reply to this guy on why Linux is the best.

Thanks

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Old 12-10-2003, 03:21 PM   #2
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I'm not sure why you would want to waste your time debating with someone who's level is so low. The guy is unable to write a sentence without swearing and seems to judge an operating system on whether or not it can run Windows applications. You'll only get dragged down to his level and, really, life is too short.

If you really must, all I can think of is to point out that for many people Linux simply does what the users want and need it to do, does it well, securely, with a high degree of stability and with no restrictive or expensive licenses. Won't do any good though.

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Old 12-10-2003, 03:25 PM   #3
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Waste of time. Simply tell him to enjoy his Virus' and Security exploits. You can ask him to start his free web server, FTP, HTTP, firewall, wsftp, printserver, filesharing server on Windows. Then say, wait, it isn't free is it. You could ask him why you would want to install the bloated flaky unreliable Office when OpenOffice is free. Could ask him to clarifiy the MS slogan, "Windows - When would you like to reboot today"

You won't change his mind, but you can have some fun.

R.O.
 
Old 12-10-2003, 03:26 PM   #4
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I've just moved the thread to General. It's not Linux related, in fact, so I think it fits better here.

Surfmonkey, don't discuss with him. It's not worth it. There are people who won't change their mind, even if you show them hundreds of evidences that you're right. Don't reply. It won't make a difference.
 
Old 12-10-2003, 03:29 PM   #5
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And if you must, then tell him to use Photoshop via Win4Lin - heard it is runnable now - Go check it first though....
 
Old 12-10-2003, 03:33 PM   #6
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BTW if you start talking back ask him to xcopy files to a floppy or to another directory via his XP command line that emulates DOS 5.0 I'd like to hear what he says to that... and the swearing - Well you said Howard Stern Right???
 
Old 12-10-2003, 03:37 PM   #7
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I'd have to agree, don't respond to people that can't form a complete thought without profanity. Simply agree that you have different opinions and move on. I find the OS debates a little annoying, I use multiple versions of Windows and Linux and I have to deal with AIX on occaision (as a user only). I have nothing against any of them. They all do what I need, when I need it (Well, except Redhat - my Radeon isn't working yet).

However, to answer his points:
NT/2k/XP all have command line environments and are not DOS. That is correct.
As for firing up any Windows app, has he ever heard of WiNE? Or perhaps GIMP for photo editng, and Open Office to handle documents. (Heck I use Open Office on my Windows XP machine simply because I like the word processor better.) Both will read and write the formats of their comercial counterparts.
And finally Linux is not a "cheap" knock off. It has quite a few man hours into it.
 
Old 12-10-2003, 03:41 PM   #8
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Piece of poop.
 
Old 12-10-2003, 03:43 PM   #9
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He seems like a fool.

I will say that he is right about this though:
"You can run Windows XP/2k/NT from a command line."

You can do that. You don't need Windows to fire up into a GUI. You can have it never launch the GUI.

Don't waste your time
 
Old 12-10-2003, 03:52 PM   #10
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Umm... its not worth it..
On an ironic note:
Both programs he mentions work under wine
Well.. if he claims to know so much about Unix, then he should know programs from Windows won't run udnder Unix
And.. funny enough.. he calls Linux a Unix ripoff (which it isn't, it just implements an Unix-type enviroment, hence GNU (GNU's Not Unx)) and that it's junk. Then he goes on to say how Novell is making a good Linux. Well.. if it's soo bad...
emulates DOS 5.0 ? more like DOS 7 (the one that runs under 98 and 95)

Don't bother though

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Old 12-10-2003, 03:56 PM   #11
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thank you all....and sorry mara.

The biggest problem i have with this guy is how he thinks the new MAC OS is based on UNIX, and Linux is a cheap ripoff. He thinks MAC is the best Unix ripoff i guess? He is always telling me that Linux is garbage....I dont know Mac very well, so I find it hard to debate this with him. For all I know Mac osX is based on Unix, and as or more stable as Linux?
 
Old 12-10-2003, 04:19 PM   #12
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Re: what can i say to this guy?

Quote:
Originally posted by Surfmonkey
I was posting on a Howard Stern message board

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Surfmonkey - Could you please edit your post for content? While that kind of language may be acceptable (required?) on a Howard Stern message board it's not welcome here at LQ.

TIA
 
Old 12-10-2003, 04:24 PM   #13
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About Mac OS X - from - http://developer.apple.com/darwin/pr...arwin/faq.html

Q. What is Darwin?

A. Darwin is a version of the BSD UNIX operating system that offers advanced networking, services such as the Apache web server, and support for both Macintosh and UNIX file systems. It was originally released in March 1999. Darwin currently runs on PowerPC-based Macintosh computers, and is being ported to Intel processor-based computers and compatible systems by the Darwin community.
 
Old 12-10-2003, 05:38 PM   #14
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I edited my post mcleodnine...sorry about that

Thanks Nimoy
 
Old 12-10-2003, 09:05 PM   #15
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The one thing I forgot to say.....

Your first problem is posting anything at a Howard Stern message board

You actually think you will get reliable, reputable answers from anyone who hangs out there ?
 
  


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