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Old 05-30-2024, 08:08 AM   #106
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I guess that I don't "think about" things to the level that you do, @enorbet.

There are plenty of examples of human behavior which basically amount to: (My Last Words Will Be ...) "Hold my beer and watch this."

Unfortunately, this sort of thing has led to World Wars.
 
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I guess that I don't "think about" things to the level that you do, @enorbet.

There are plenty of examples of human behavior which basically amount to: (My Last Words Will Be ...) "Hold my beer and watch this."

Unfortunately, this sort of thing has led to World Wars. When ancient histories talk about "wars that were caused by [man's lust for ...] women," they actually weren't kidding.
 
Old 05-30-2024, 08:41 AM   #108
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You have yet to cite a plausible scenario where helmets are directly responsible for protecting anyone but the helmet wearer and that's demonstrably unwise to put that in the hands of and under the power of some distant bureaucrat, often enforced by some local idiot who hasn't a clue about legality and assumes anything he thinks or says is Law. Power corrupts, Bro!
Until a piece of grit gets in your eye / piece of debris hits you in the face and you lose control and hit someone else...
 
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Until a piece of grit gets in your eye / piece of debris hits you in the face and you lose control and hit someone else...
Have you ever ridden on or in an open vehicle? If you ride in a convertible with the top down or even a hardtop with the windows rolled down, a scooter, or a bicycle, numerous other vehicles not ersatz cocoons those things are possible. Do you talk on the phone while driving? How about to passengers? All of those and many more can contribute to accidents, some deadly.

Aside from the common sense to ride motorcycles with eye protection, and I think even helmets with face shields as I most often did, just how far do you want The LAW to go to thwart every conceivable chance event from making you feel unsafe?

When does such law cross the line into becoming the threat?
 
Old 05-31-2024, 07:17 AM   #110
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If you ride in a convertible with the top down or even a hardtop with the windows rolled down
There is still a windscreen/windshield.

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Do you talk on the phone while driving?
Against the law here. Also you assume I drive, actually I don't drive.

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Aside from the common sense to ride motorcycles with eye protection, and I think even helmets with face shields as I most often did, just how far do you want The LAW to go to thwart every conceivable chance event from making you feel unsafe?
You're doing what you usually do again - twisting people's arguments to it being supposedly about my feelings about my personal safety. Are you able to have any debate without resorting to that?

If it were "common sense" and if "common sense" were to be relied on, then it's "common sense" not to drink or be on drugs while driving. "common sense" isn't an argument - we don't live in that world. We live in the world where dick heads run red lights and a holes are on the phone and speeding and people die due to their stupidity, wrecklessness and ignorance.

If someone doesn't wear a helmet or a seat belt and is happy to take risks, they're likely happy to take risks with others safety as well...
 
Old 05-31-2024, 09:46 AM   #111
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Fundamentally: “a GUN(!) is not a CAR.”

As every training class will teach you on day one: “a gun is designed to DESTROY whatever it is aimed at, when you pull the trigger.”

You cannot then say ”whoopsie!” and mash the Escape key …

Analogies between “a weapon” and literally anything else therefore have no meaning.

Simply stated: “a weapon is designed to murder.”

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Old 05-31-2024, 12:37 PM   #112
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Sorry, _blackhole_, your previous post deflected instead of debating. You have the right to view my words as "twisting" but that applies to any opposing view from the opposition as it is entirely subjective on its own. I'm expecting and try to deliver objectively supportable evidence.

I think helmet wearing is desirable and I have supported that view in word and deed my whole adult life. I simply also think it is a slippery slope when "desirable" is contemplated for "there oughta be a Law!" as far too many people do not consider objective reality and instead consider "whose ox is gored"... probably sometimes even me.
 
  


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