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Old 11-13-2018, 10:06 AM   #1
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You don't live at all without your parents.
 
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Tell that to orphans, clones and?
 
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There is some hope that human life can be not only extended but kept youthfully active for a very long time since, in a very distant way, we are related to yeast which is all but immortal. Somewhere in our genes, whatever one or few responsible for "upkeep" turned "off" and the Ultimate Time Bomb began. Surely it is possible, maybe even likely, that thousands of years of upkeep can't happen once organisms reach some keystone point of complexity but it does appear that even if it takes a hundred(s) years, human lifespan will become substantially expanded.

I suppose that unless whatever process is the trigger becomes the sole property of the very rich, we'd better get busy also expanding where people can live and how to sustain them all as population growth is already a serious issue.
 
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longevity. man is always striving for it, and God gives it away for free to all of them that follow HIM.
 
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We live for eternity somewhere, just not in this world that's falling apart.
 
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Hello Mike25...
I will avoid getting into the religious/philosophical aspect in this conversation and leave that for the Mega Thread but I'm wondering why the somewhat defeatist attitude? What makes you think "this world that's falling apart"? I'm 72 so I'm beginning to "fall apart" but I don't see the world doing so.
 
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I could say it is the social, moral and economical state of affairs of the world in its population that is going to hell, or 'falling apart'.

then we have the basic resources of the world in what is in the earth itself that is being used up. pulling oil out of the earth leaving an empty hole as it is being sucked out along with whatever else man sucks out of the earth, and replaces it with nothing to take up that now empty space. collapses can occur. so it is 'falling apart' too.

evolution, with its universe in all of its wisdom that it does not have cannot even stop that.

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Old 11-21-2018, 10:46 AM   #9
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Hello Mike25...
I will avoid getting into the religious/philosophical aspect in this conversation and leave that for the Mega Thread but I'm wondering why the somewhat defeatist attitude? What makes you think "this world that's falling apart"? I'm 72 so I'm beginning to "fall apart" but I don't see the world doing so.
I've seen a lot of changes over the last few decades involving things like crime, but the main one I think about is nature, which shows in the weather changes. 20 years ago, they used to forecast weather for the next 2 weeks and it was often very close. Now they are wasting time forecasting that far ahead because half the time, their forecast for 3 days from now changes drastically 2 days later. I think in many ways, natures balance has been thrown out of balance. More tornadoes, fires, and floods, than ever before, and the balance in the animal kingdom is not what is used to be.

You're doing better than me. I'm only 54 and just the last 2 years I've been showing signs of old age. Could just be from lack of full time working since I've been slacking off (not by choice) for 3 years now. Did mostly home renovations for 32 years. Quit 3 years ago due to physical condition, but haven't had luck in getting something else going.
 
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I could say it is the social, moral and economical state of affairs of the world in its population that is going to hell, or 'falling apart'.

then we have the basic resources of the world in what is in the earth itself that is being used up. pulling oil out of the earth leaving an empty hole as it is being sucked out along with whatever else man sucks out of the earth, and replaces it with nothing to take up that now empty space. collapses can occur. so it is 'falling apart' too.

evolution, with its universe in all of its wisdom that it does not have cannot even stop that.
Yup. There have been more changes in the last 100 years than in the 1000 years before that, and those changes do have a cost to them.
 
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I know I've stated this in other threads but I think it deserves repeating. A brilliant Psychology Professor of mine once quipped (or quoted... I'm not sure who created it) that

"To the Worm the Robin's song ddoesn't say 'Cheerup!'" I think that demonstrates not only a moral relativity but even a moral absolute - That which improves the quality of living and/or extends life is Good and that which denigrates, destroys, or shortens life is Bad. It also implies it is rare indeed that a thing is so simple as to be purely good or purely bad. There's an old cliche that say "Everybody wants to go to Heaven but nobody wants to die to get there". More simply put, struggle makes us strong and comfort makes us weak but none of us seek struggle but instead seek comfort.

There are some disturbing changes in the world today but that has always been so. I don;t evaluate today, or the last decade from 2008-2018 as worse than say the decade of 1963-1973, the height of the growing and terrifying Cold War. Unless there is some oddball random event against the odds the worst threat we now face is probably Human Caused Global Climate Change from the massive burning of fossil fuels. Somewhere further in the future (I hope) will likely be potable water shortages which may even cause armed conflict(s). However those are identifiable, testable and sooner or later powerful enough to convince ardent deniers that we need to plan for these events and affect change. Those are still at this time fixable threats.

Mankind deserves some serious credit that a nuclear bomb has not been dropped in anger since 1945. There was a period during the Cold War and while living in Washington DC, when I wouldn't have been surprised to look up and see a bright flash... for about 2 seconds.

Yes there are a great many changes and 100 years vs/ 1000 isn't at all far off... BUT much of that is due to deep, fundamental changes in economic paradigms. There are really insightful books on this subject and several by Alvin Tofler, including Future Shock and Third WaveThe latter book notes that when humanity changed paradigm from Hunter/Gatherer to Agriculture which gave birth to cities and long term civilization (with all it's ills and benefits) and that in turn was deeply altered (and resisted) when Agriculture was eclipsed by the Industrial paradigm, the 2nd Wave of major change. The 3rd Wave is this Information Age we are living in and experiencing a bit of the Terrible Twos in as we are just now teething and can't run but walking is pretty good.

I don't see Doom. I have Hope... and not without considerable evidence to back it up. I am sorry you feel it is "falling apart" both personally and in the larger sense. It is my sincere wish for you that you find some consolation. Sorry for yet another cliche but it's a good'n...

"Every day above ground is a Good Day"

Life is a Gift. Whether it is your belief that it is a gift from God or from Random Chance, it is still a Gift. Living beats the hell out of the alternative.

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Old 11-21-2018, 10:39 PM   #12
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Not opinions (like religionS,
what foods to eat, time to sleep &c:) a seed can become a tree; gas, matter and waves can form solar systems.

That is all... for now.

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I know I've stated this in other threads but I think it deserves repeating. A brilliant Psychology Professor of mine once quipped (or quoted... I'm not sure who created it) that

"To the Worm the Robin's song ddoesn't say 'Cheerup!'" I think that demonstrates not only a moral relativity but even a moral absolute - That which improves the quality of living and/or extends life is Good and that which denigrates, destroys, or shortens life is Bad. It also implies it is rare indeed that a thing is so simple as to be purely good or purely bad. There's an old cliche that say "Everybody wants to go to Heaven but nobody wants to die to get there". More simply put, struggle makes us strong and comfort makes us weak but none of us seek struggle but instead seek comfort.

There are some disturbing changes in the world today but that has always been so. I don;t evaluate today, or the last decade from 2008-2018 as worse than say the decade of 1963-1973, the height of the growing and terrifying Cold War. Unless there is some oddball random event against the odds the worst threat we now face is probably Human Caused Global Climate Change from the massive burning of fossil fuels. Somewhere further in the future (I hope) will likely be potable water shortages which may even cause armed conflict(s). However those are identifiable, testable and sooner or later powerful enough to convince ardent deniers that we need to plan for these events and affect change. Those are still at this time fixable threats.

Mankind deserves some serious credit that a nuclear bomb has not been dropped in anger since 1945. There was a period during the Cold War and while living in Washington DC, when I wouldn't have been surprised to look up and see a bright flash... for about 2 seconds.

Yes there are a great many changes and 100 years vs/ 1000 isn't at all far off... BUT much of that is due to deep, fundamental changes in economic paradigms. There are really insightful books on this subject and several by Alvin Tofler, including Future Shock and Third WaveThe latter book notes that when humanity changed paradigm from Hunter/Gatherer to Agriculture which gave birth to cities and long term civilization (with all it's ills and benefits) and that in turn was deeply altered (and resisted) when Agriculture was eclipsed by the Industrial paradigm, the 2nd Wave of major change. The 3rd Wave is this Information Age we are living in and experiencing a bit of the Terrible Twos in as we are just now teething and can't run but walking is pretty good.

I don't see Doom. I have Hope... and not without considerable evidence to back it up. I am sorry you feel it is "falling apart" both personally and in the larger sense. It is my sincere wish for you that you find some consolation. Sorry for yet another cliche but it's a good'n...

"Every day above ground is a Good Day"

Life is a Gift. Whether it is your belief that it is a gift from God or from Random Chance, it is still a Gift. Living beats the hell out of the alternative.
Many good points and truths there.

In another 50 years, shows like Space 1999 and Star Trek will no longer be imagination. We'll also all be travelling around by hovercraft type vehicles. That would be fun.

In my high school years, lead shelters were at their peak. Rich people were spending millions to have a place of refuge in the event of a nuclear war. We were told that if a nuclear war happened, anyone in a lead shelter would have to stay inside for 50 years anyway, so I always figured, why bother. If it happens it happens.
 
Old 11-22-2018, 04:11 AM   #14
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then we have the basic resources of the world in what is in the earth itself that is being used up. pulling oil out of the earth leaving an empty hole as it is being sucked out along with whatever else man sucks out of the earth, and replaces it with nothing to take up that now empty space. collapses can occur. so it is 'falling apart' too.

evolution, with its universe in all of its wisdom that it does not have cannot even stop that.
Mars didn't become Mars over a million years!?.
 
Old 11-22-2018, 07:29 AM   #15
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Mars didn't become Mars over a million years!?.
whatever you mean by that because it is an unknown, the phrasing is a statement, but it's ending with a question mark. Like perhaps you do not even know what you're trying to say. other then that read a book image. But that too could be anything, I do not live on mars, nor does anyone else, nor is it inhabitable by mankind. So what does that have to do with mankind using up earths resources? Mostly wastefulness as if their is no tomorrow.

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