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Old 05-02-2004, 07:08 PM   #1
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Virus Makers/Techies ? Tobacco Makers/Doctors


Here is a thought. Most people don't like people who make viruses, in the same way most people don't like tobacco manufactures when they get lung cancer (I am a smoker by the way). The thing is, if it was not for these sickos, technicians would have half the workload they get and that means half the money. So every time a trojan crippled my Windows OS or a virus kicked my MBR, I forgot the temper and thanked the fact that if not for viruses I would be more poor now than I am if they did not exist.
That is why I do not understand police who hate criminals or dentists who dislike people who don't brush their teeth. So if I met someone who had crippled my system, I would shake their hand and tell them that for the time it took to get my MS box to work I got to fix 5 MS boxes with the same problem and earnt for it.
I know that this is a negative way of thinking but it is practical. Is it not?
 
Old 05-02-2004, 07:50 PM   #2
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Another example is that in Perth, we had very low rainfall for 2 years.

Because the roads were not as wet so often, there were less prangs. This means that the Panel-Beaters had less business but the insurance companies had to pay out less money.

When it rained more last year, there were more vehicle accidents, therefore more work for panel beaters.

So, what is better - rain or no rain ?

--Ian
 
Old 05-02-2004, 09:45 PM   #3
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does that also mean that when you get lung cancer you`re going to shake the hand of the Tobacco company dude?
 
Old 05-03-2004, 02:34 AM   #4
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Side-note (since I'm getting mightilly pissed-off about that unfounded lungcancer/tobacco-connection):
Tobacco is NOT the main cause for lungcancer ; Traffic- and industrial fumes are.
Even IF tobacco is to cause canver (still not proven and in fact , the research tends to point the other way over all), brain-tumors are more likely to be the candidate.

Smoking causes lots of other health-risks ; no need to belief that cancer-FUD-campain.
 
Old 05-03-2004, 07:27 AM   #5
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"nodger
Distribution: RedHat 9 does that also mean that when you get lung cancer you`re going to shake the hand of the Tobacco company dude?"

Well as I am not part of the tobacco industry or a doctor, therefor make no profit out of smokers, therefor would not be pleased with tobacco firms.
As for smoking and lung cancer. I may agree slightly that lung cancer may in most cases be caused by pollution rather smoking, but I think we can agree that in an unhealthy world, an unhealthy habit does not help. I plan to give it up when things settle down.
 
Old 05-03-2004, 11:32 PM   #6
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look at it from the other side, if there werent viruses, all of that money could go into manufacturing goods or paying workers more (which means they spend more, and people manufacture more goods) you would make less money fixing other computers but likely you would find another source of income, and generally, people would get paid more, or the price of good would go down improving quality of life for everyone (ehh or at least the vast majority) wanting money put into unnecessarily broken things is a bad business and economic model, if we had less car vandalism insurance would go down, fewer arsons the same thing but for houses and buildings, fewer viruses mean less on support and more on development and business, while your model SEEMS to more or less balance out you would have a higher standard of living if all forms of vandalism and senseless destruction ended (malicious code included) tobacco companies hold no parallel, they do not sneak into your home through an open port or memo and seep into your lungs causing damage, you buy the cigarettes, a large part goes to the government and lowers everyone elses taxes as well as helping to provide you with limited amounts of health coverage for the damage that they do (very limited in USA) the rest goes to workers and executives who turn the money right back into the economy, viruses stop business from functioning properly and potential revenue is lost, if viruses only meant you got paid then yes you could see it that way, but they dont. Viruses mean people LOSE money. Dentists get paid pretty well, they dont normally need to encourage bad oral hygene to get their money, and it is my guess that they make more profit on twice a year check ups and cleanings than replacing teeth and filling cavities, the equipment required for cleaning is in comparison not very expensive, and not too labor consuming, in fact, it can also be done by a nurse who gets paid far less while still charging for a dentists level of compensation. I'm not a dentist though, so maybe I am wrong.

edit: fixed a typo

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Old 05-04-2004, 12:44 AM   #7
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ummmmm. ever heard of second hand smoke?, in my opinion smokers should have to pay more taxes so non smokers don't have to pay for the damage druggies(smoke, acholohe, meds, pot, cocaine, etc, etc ,etc) so to everyone around them..... i also feel same should go to cars... they just kill everything, and the roads take away the land that could be put to better use planting trees and flowers

i also feel drug companies should be charges with murder if there products are proven to be the cause of a death in an Innocent person (like second hand smoke, i don't know how you people can smoke that stuff, i only have to walk by someone and i get that horrible stuff stuck in my thought and it wont go away)
 
Old 05-04-2004, 12:55 AM   #8
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Some of you need to do your Homework!!
when Mt. Pinatubo blew up, it put MORE poison gases, and sulphuric acids in the Air then the Entire Industrial Revolution!!! this is a Proven Scientific
Fact............Any Volcano that blows it's top does the same thing, read up
on this subject of Volcano Eruptions, you all might learn something.
 
Old 05-04-2004, 03:33 AM   #9
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watashiwaotaku7 your point is very interesting, I will need to think and give your post the logical reply it deserves. Many things on my mind today.

Sci Yro "in my opinion smokers should have to pay more taxes so non smokers don't have to pay for the damage druggies(smoke, acholohe, meds, pot, cocaine, etc,"

Why should smokers pay extra tax for for treatment of druggies? As for most druggies, unless they are also drug barons, I doubt they could afford tax. Why do you think someone would steel a pizza in New York knowing he was going to jail for 15 years?
I don't know about other smokers, but if I had to take out non-private treatment, then I would pay that money back to a charity.

320mb " when Mt. Pinatubo blew up, it put MORE poison gases, and sulphuric acids in the Air then the Entire Industrial Revolution!!! this is a Proven Scientific"

I have never heard of Mt. Pinatuba. But I know that when the Crakatoa volcano blew in the 7th century, it covered Europe and Asia in a clouds of ash for up to 5 years and that caused many breathing issues. The proof is in the trees, most near died in those few years. It also disputably ended the reign of King Arthur.
 
Old 05-04-2004, 05:38 AM   #10
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in my opinion smokers should have to pay more taxes
smokers DO pay A LOT more taxes. We (the smokers, I'm one of them) pay the goverment a HUGE amount of 'taxes' (in dutch it's "accijns" but don't know the english) for the smoking stuff I buy... I pay 4,60 EURO for tabacco (50 gr), of wich 3 to 3,50 EURO is tax! going straight to the goverments treasure chest

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Old 05-04-2004, 08:43 PM   #11
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in the USA, cigarettes are about $3.50 to $4 per pack and I think your estimate of how much goes to tax are actually low in that governments try to stop stem the amount of smoking by making cigarettes expensive enough that people think about what they are buying, cigarettes are VERY cheap to make I know a lady who buys pre-rolled papers with filters and tobacco in amounts equivelant to a carton and pays $13.50 because tobacco for pipes and such is much much cheaper despite usually being higher quality.

@ sciyro
I understand your concerns about second hand smoke, but it is very unlikely it would kill you, or even adversely affect your health in fact, believe it or not in very subtle ways second hand smoke can improve it, if you inhale a bit of smoke as you eat it will make your stomach less acidic which is easier on your digestive tract and keep you from dying for a few more minutes from that ulcer you dont know is there as well as reducing the likelihood for heat burn. Sound a bit out the window? maybe, but so is saying that second hand smoke will hurt you. Unless you live with or work in a confined space with someone who smokes the health effects of second hand smoke are nearly non-existant even if your lungs are damaged they will heal in a matter of hours or days at worst. When it comes to healing even the worst cases of smoking, packs a day for years will eventually heal almost entirely if the smoker quits barring emphysima or lung cancer. I also understand why you consider it gross though, and that is why I smoke in my car, or while on a walk away from other people in a well ventilated area (as in open space WITH a breeze) I would never smoke in a restaurant or bowling alley or such place, and my car has and will never smell like cigarettes, leather seats hold little smell and I always put all four windows down, that said, if I never seek public health care for my smoking related illnesses why should I pay a tax of >300% on the goods I buy?
 
Old 05-05-2004, 03:35 AM   #12
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"I always put all four windows down"

It must be damn hot where you live. Here its almost summer and I am freezing my pants off with the heaters on.
Tobbacco in pure tobbacco form is definetly much healthier, thats why I smoke it, unless I am really busy, then I buy ciggies. Has anyone thought why does a ciggie stay alight when tobbacco goes out, well its all the crap they put in it, phospherous, some form of cyanide, plus loads of other stuff.
 
Old 05-05-2004, 06:25 PM   #13
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actually, I live in Wisconsin, so it really isn't and gets down to about -25 degrees fahrenheit, but if im bundled up its no big deal and heated seats keep you warm when the wind is blowing but I'm really quite odd anyways as I see snow and ice as no reason to bother putting on shoes when I'm just walking down the road to talk to a neighbor or get the mail and I dont start wearing a jacket at all until early january and then not very often
 
Old 05-06-2004, 01:20 AM   #14
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Tobbacco in pure tobbacco form is definetly much healthier, thats why I smoke it, unless I am really busy, then I buy ciggies.
note from the chemist in me:

The reason you get lung-cancer from cigarettes is arsine gas. In tobaco plantations they use (just like in some fruit plantations) arsenic based pesticides, this is the cause of lung cancer - forget about nicotine. Also not to forget the formation of dioxines when you burn anything that is organic (like tobaco).

About the industrial/traffic gasses? Ever noticed people in the countryside get a lot more (lung)cancer? Because of pesticides they "spray" on the land.

Nobody here went to that exhibition in Europe, called "Korperwelten"? It was an exhibition of dead bodies (neat), it was no difficult for me to pick out the lungs that had once belonged to a smoker. Smokers : look inside your computers.

have a nice day ..
 
Old 05-06-2004, 01:36 AM   #15
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This thread has some bizarre statements:


Tobbacco in pure tobbacco form is definetly much healthier, thats why I smoke it, unless I am really busy, then I buy ciggies.

smokers should have to pay more taxes so non smokers don't have to pay for the damage druggies(smoke, acholohe, meds, pot, cocaine, etc, etc ,etc) so to everyone around them.

I'm getting mightilly pissed-off about that unfounded lungcancer/tobacco-connection

I pay 4,60 EURO for tabacco (50 gr), of wich 3 to 3,50 EURO is tax! going straight to the goverments treasure chest

 
  


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