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Old 11-07-2020, 12:03 PM   #61
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If you'd actually read and understood the page, you'd see what that meant. It expresses concern about extremist attacks on places of worship and defines the faith-based program as mandating the DOJ to be more active in combating extremism and helping places of worship improve their security.
I can't help but think that this is just pandering. It's not like these attacks are currently not regarded as serious crimes.

Also, the Democrats and the media are curiously silent regarding a certain kind of quite horrific crimes against orthodox jews, and that makes me question their sincerity.

In fact, if you were to report on these attacks on YouTube or Twitter, your video or tweet will get taken down. Perhaps you know what I'm referring to?
 
Old 11-07-2020, 12:06 PM   #62
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I've noticed too that those people on the left who are always going on and on about racism are often the worst offenders themselves when it comes to antisemitism. We have had some horrific behaviour recently by the UK Labour Party.
 
Old 11-07-2020, 12:15 PM   #63
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I've noticed too that those people on the left who are always going on and on about racism are often the worst offenders themselves when it comes to antisemitism. We have had some horrific behaviour recently by the UK Labour Party.
Numerous videos have surfaced from the recent riots in Portland and Seattle, of people screaming the most extreme racial slurs at black police officers; "race traitors", "uncle Toms", and of course the infamous "N-word" (how I hate such euphemisms).

The people shouting abuse are almost exclusively young, white, upper middle-class activists, who self-identify as BLM supporters or Antifa members. We know this because they say so in interviews, they carry flags and placards, they broadcast their views on social media, and in some cases their arrest records and photos have been published.

These are the people who claim to fight for blacks and minorities in general. Yeah, sure.
 
Old 11-07-2020, 12:33 PM   #64
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The term "Uncle Tom" always amuses me because those who use it clearly don't know who Uncle Tom was or what he was created for. Uncle Tom's Cabin is a brilliant work of political propaganda masquerading as a novel. It was designed to spread the abolitionist view throughout the North and it succeeded to the point where Lincoln could describe Mrs Stowe as "the woman who started the war".

The book consists of a set of interlocking story arcs, some major, some only a couple of paragraphs long, all illustrating different aspects of the evil of slavery. The keystone of the arch is the flogging to death of Uncle Tom himself. An arch stands or falls by its keystone, so Stowe had to avoid the slightest suspicion that Tom may have been "asking for it". He had to be totally passive and obedient in order for the novel to do its work. If Uncle Tom hadn't been an "Uncle Tom", black slavery might have lasted a lot longer than it did.
 
Old 11-07-2020, 12:40 PM   #65
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I wonder if facts even matter at this point.
Nope...

As he has said many times.
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"I am the least anti-Semitic person that you’ve ever seen in your entire life. the least racist person there is anywhere in the world,”
Actions speak louder then words...

https://www.timesofisrael.com/69-of-...semitic-views/

https://www.wgbh.org/news/commentary...can-convention

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/....ites-1.8868336
 
Old 11-07-2020, 12:42 PM   #66
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You have no basis for this assertion.
Won't be trolled today.

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I wonder if facts even matter at this point.
Not when there are two sets of facts.

Republicans and Democrats live in “nearly inverse news media environments"
https://www.niemanlab.org/2020/01/re...nts-pew-finds/


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Personally, I have not seen any instances where Trump has said or done something that could be considered racist.
Decades-Old Housing Discrimination Case Plagues Donald Trump

https://www.npr.org/2016/09/29/49595...imination-case

The Justice Department sued Donald Trump, his father, Fred, and Trump Management in order to obtain a settlement in which Trump and his father would promise not to discriminate. The case eventually was settled two years later after Trump tried to countersue the Justice Department for $100 million for making false statements. Those allegations were dismissed by the court.


No need to rail against NPR as a leftist outfit. Here the AP; rated as fair (not left, not right) https://www.allsides.com/news-source...ess-media-bias

Fair housing groups slam Trump’s suburban racial rhetoric

“He’s flatly saying that property values will go down and crime will increase if black people move into your neighborhoods,” said Diane Yentel, president of the National Low-Income Housing Coalition.

https://apnews.com/article/817ea7636...94e475e283ab31

And here's Business Insider; rated as fair (not left, not right) https://www.allsides.com/news-source/business-insider

https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...lawsuit-2020-7

"It's possible to see in Trump's move an attack on two old foes — the anti-segregation laws that mired him in legal battles in the 1970s, but also his predecessor in the White House, whose legacy Trump has spent much of the past four years seeking to dismantle. "


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Old 11-07-2020, 12:43 PM   #67
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The term "Uncle Tom" always amuses me because those who use it clearly don't know who Uncle Tom was or what he was created for.
I have a similar reaction when I hear activists accusing black people of being "race traitors." That's a concept from racial supremacy ideology, better known colloquially as "racism."

Today we have activists advocating for non-white-only "safe spaces". Articles have been published in mainstream publications on topics such as whether or not blacks can have white friends (apparently, they can't), and whether mixed-race marriages are examples of fetishism and racism.

Democrats in California just suffered a loss, as their proposal to revoke civil rights legislation that prohibited racial discrimination was voted down. But I'm sure they'll try again.

If the ideologues from the NSDAP were alive today, they would be so proud.

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Old 11-07-2020, 12:57 PM   #68
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Decades-Old Housing Discrimination Case Plagues Donald Trump

https://www.npr.org/2016/09/29/49595...imination-case

The Justice Department sued Donald Trump, his father, Fred, and Trump Management in order to obtain a settlement in which Trump and his father would promise not to discriminate. The case eventually was settled two years later after Trump tried to countersue the Justice Department for $100 million for making false statements. Those allegations were dismissed by the court.
Are you claiming that a decades-old case that very few have heard about is the reason why people are claiming Trump is racist?
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Fair housing groups slam Trump’s suburban racial rhetoric

“He’s flatly saying that property values will go down and crime will increase if black people move into your neighborhoods,” said Diane Yentel, president of the National Low-Income Housing Coalition.
I don't know if he "flatly" said that, as I'm sure she would have quoted him word for word if that was the case. Also, the quote would undoubtedly have been all over the media.
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https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...lawsuit-2020-7"It's possible to see in Trump's move an attack on two old foes — the anti-segregation laws that mired him in legal battles in the 1970s, but also his predecessor in the White House, whose legacy Trump has spent much of the past four years seeking to dismantle. "
That's quite an interesting spin they've got there.

Trump fights against having low-income housing mandated by law in various neighborhoods, because low-income housing tends to bring an influx of crime (objectively true, although perhaps an uncomfortable topic), which in turn lowers property value in that area. (BTW, the inverse is also true, which is why the Democrats talk about "gentrification" a lot.)

The people quoted in the article conclude that because of this, Trump doesn't like black people. Because... only blacks are poor? Or all black people are poor? That's a bit stereotypical, isn't it?

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Old 11-07-2020, 01:39 PM   #69
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Personally, I have not seen any instances where Trump has said or done something that could be considered racist.
What about Trump's comment with NASCAR banning the Confederate flag?

In 1989 he took out a full page add in the New York papers to bring back the death penalty for the Central Park 5 who were wrongly accused of rapping a women.

He referred to African countries as “shithole” nations—asking why the U.S. can’t have more immigrants from Norway instead—and complained that, after seeing America, immigrants from Nigeria would never “go back to their huts.”

'When the looting starts, the shooting starts.'
 
Old 11-07-2020, 01:45 PM   #70
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Biden's been declared the winner.
 
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Old 11-07-2020, 01:56 PM   #72
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I would imagine that Trump will ask for a recount which he is entitled and most likely not change the results.

The legal battle with possibly going to the SCOTUS will be next.
 
Old 11-07-2020, 02:00 PM   #73
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I wonder how long that will take!
 
Old 11-07-2020, 02:09 PM   #74
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What about Trump's comment with NASCAR banning the Confederate flag?
What did he say?

Keep in mind that seeing the Confederate flag as a symbol of racism is an extremely recent development; the result of relentless pressure from activists.

Go back a few years, and you'll find lots of confederate flags in art, on album covers, in movies, in computer games and so on, by people who are obviously neither racists nor supporters of slavery. This was fairly uncontroversial, because although slavery was indeed a part of the southern confederacy, it was not all it was.

But now it seems the flag just means racism, and has to go. Because left-wing activists say so. I don't think that's entirely reasonable.
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In 1989 he took out a full page add in the New York papers to bring back the death penalty for the Central Park 5 who were wrongly accused of rapping a women.
Did he want the death penalty reinstated for violent rapists?

Or did he want the death penalty for people accused of a horrible crime, regardless of innocence or guilt?

Or did he know they were innocent, but took out a whole-page ad saying, "they're black, so hang'em all?"

There is a difference.
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He referred to African countries as “shithole” nations—asking why the U.S. can’t have more immigrants from Norway instead
Yes, he should go wash his mouth out. Wasn't it a Latin American country, though?

And is it not true that countries like El Salvador, Somalia and The Democratic Republic of Congo are total horrorshows with constant conflict and rampant corruption, and that no sane person with a choice would ever want to live there?

That's not racism. That's being very un-presidential and undiplomatic when speaking about reality. But didn't he say this in private?

But the part about "immigrants from Norway" is indeed quite absurd, because yes, many Americans have Norwegian heritage because Norwegians emigrated way back in the day, but Trump should know that Norway today is a prosperous nation. Why would Norwegians want to come to the U.S.?

I don't think it's racist, though.
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—and complained that, after seeing America, immigrants from Nigeria would never “go back to their huts.”
Outside the big cities, people in rural Nigeria live in huts. Anything wrong with that? Can we not say that?

And yes, after seeing the U.S., they probably won't want to go back. In fact, after seeing the U.S. on TV, some Nigerians have traveled to Central America just to join in the "caravans" of people wanting to enter the U.S.

I wouldn't want to go back either, especially if I lived in northern Nigeria (most likely in a hut), where Boko Haram are running rampant.
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'When the looting starts, the shooting starts.'
And it did. Chaos ensued, and people were killed. Not by Trump, not by the government, not by the police, not by "far-right" activists, but by rioters.

I agree, you could interpret that tweet as either a warning or (less charitably) as a threat, but after the fact it's fairly obvious that it was meant as the former. But in any case, how on earth can anyone interpret it as being racist??

(Unless, of course... you think only black people will be looting during a riot...)

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Any recount or disputes must be complete by 8 Dec although some states are different.

The Electoral College meets 14 Dec to cast their ballots which leaves a bit of a buffer.
 
  


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