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Old 11-13-2020, 10:32 AM   #211
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Touche! And very clever of you to find all those papers in such a short time.
It was just the first page of search results; and shows just how inaccurate the statement was; for a scientist, my dear. For the record, I'm an admirer of yours. (just not some of your opinions)
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The purpose of this research, if the titles are anything to go by, is to show how to sell the maximum quantity of goods. How does that have anything to do with racial prejudice?
You tell me. You originated the correlation.
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There's something very improbable in the idea that practically everything in this world is deliberately set up to make white people feel good and black people feel bad.
That statement is hyperbole; "practically everything", "deliberately set up". Of course "There's something very improbable" about it.

I think you're really missing the point. It isn't that "practically everything" done was done deliberately. Quite the opposite.

The Hair Care isle, until relatively recently, (the last 30 years, maybe more), was just white people's products, and with the awaking of cultural sensitivity, and the possibility of more sales, a subsection of "ethnic care" was added.

That's been the experience of my lifetime (70 years). The big, general stores didn't cater to ethnicity, they shopped at specialty stores for their needs.

To this day, there is no subsection of white people's products.

Two hair care isles:

|---hair care------(ethnic hair care)----more hair care----| not/or |---hair care---(white hair care)----(ethnic hair care)---more hair care----|

The hair care isle is assumed white with non-white areas clearly labeled as such. Yes this is picking at nits. But it shows the subtlety of white privilege.

This is the mistake GazL made in his unscientific response. Here's the offending passage again:

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  • The products white people need for their hair being in the aisle labeled “hair care” rather than in a smaller, separate section of “ethnic hair products.”
The hair care isle is assumed white with non-white areas clearly labeled as such.
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But that still doesn't make wpeckham right.
But he was right. Gazl's reply was unscientific misunderstandings followed by an anecdotes about florescent green band-aids; and ending with one of the biggest concerns of white privilege.

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Old 11-13-2020, 10:52 AM   #212
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The hair care isle is assumed white with non-white areas clearly labeled as such.
I think you'll find that those products aren't just for white folk, Indian, Chinese, and all sort of other folks will likely have compatible hair to these products. You're presenting it as some sort of exclusionary/racist practice to separate out products for certain hair types. I don't see it any different than having blonde products at one end of a shelf and products for redheads at the other.

Anyway, the elephant in the room is that it's an incredibly trivial and ridiculous thing to get bent out of shape over. Other than activists making a profession of being offended over this sort of thing, are real everyday people caring about this?
 
Old 11-13-2020, 12:46 PM   #213
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Systemic Racism is real, and white privilege is real. I am a little grateful for the latter, as I am an old very white guy that has benefited. I am not, however, entirely blind to it.
White privilege is when the one's that always cry victim get money from the government while sitting on their backside while white's get the privilege to to pay for it all by working and paying taxes.
 
Old 11-13-2020, 01:01 PM   #214
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I wonder if in certain African countries they have the "straight hair products aisle" in their supermarkets?

Near to where I work we have afro hair barbers, who exclusively cut afro hair. And personally I have no problem with that. However if another barbers' shop was to define itself as a "straight hair barbers", then you can be sure that some would object.

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Old 11-13-2020, 01:09 PM   #215
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while white's get the privilege to to pay for it all
You are going to get flamed for saying that.

Blacks, Browns, Yellow, Red, Green, White all pay taxes. In fact tax upon tax. Income tax, real estate tax, sales tax, inheritance tax, fuel tax, road tax, luxury tax, FICA... And they are egregiously high. The more handouts that there are, the more taxes have to be paid. whites get welfare too.

They need to put a sign over the health and human services building. "Those who will not work, let them also not eat"
 
Old 11-13-2020, 01:15 PM   #216
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White privilege is when the one's that always cry victim get money from the government while sitting on their backside while white's get the privilege to to pay for it all by working and paying taxes.
Really? Maybe this will help you understand what is white privilege.

https://www.tolerance.org/magazine/f...ivilege-really

https://psychology.umbc.edu/files/20...ntosh-1989.pdf
 
Old 11-13-2020, 01:57 PM   #217
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... You're presenting it as some sort of exclusionary/racist practice to separate out products for certain hair types.
Actually, I'm not; that's putting words in my mouth. I'm fine with Black Care sections, Chinese Care sections, Martian Care sections for martians looking for green band-aids; all labeled as such. What I am saying is you don't (and won't) see a section labeled Anglo Care. That's subtlety of white privilege. Anglo is the norm and doesn't need a label. Maybe no sections need a label. That would suit me bast, have sections but leave off the labels.
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Anyway, the elephant in the room is that it's an incredibly trivial and ridiculous thing to get bent out of shape over.
Pictures "Contortionists for Equality"
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Other than activists making a profession of being offended over this sort of thing, are real everyday people caring about this?
I live in a predominately black neighborhood, and it's a frequent topic of conversation. People in white neighborhoods probably not so much. Gee, that could be seen as white privilege...

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Old 11-13-2020, 02:05 PM   #218
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I wonder if in certain African countries they have the "straight hair products aisle" in their supermarkets?

Near to where I work we have afro hair barbers, who exclusively cut afro hair. And personally I have no problem with that. However if another barbers' shop was to define itself as a "straight hair barbers", then you can be sure that some would object.
Lets just call this out as the deflection technique (deflect by pointing at something or someone else) of what-about-ism (reversal of accusation, arguing that an opponent is guilty of an offense just as egregious or worse). Look! They do it too!. Sorry dude.

8bit

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Old 11-13-2020, 02:11 PM   #219
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Really? Maybe this will help you understand what is white privilege.

https://www.tolerance.org/magazine/f...ivilege-really
That's the link I posted yesterday.

There it is, the mother-load. (<-- is that sexist? Political correctness can go too far)

" I was taught to see racism only in individual acts of meanness, not in invisible systems conferring dominance on my group."


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Old 11-13-2020, 02:16 PM   #220
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I missed that post
 
Old 11-13-2020, 02:37 PM   #221
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Yeah, I think many people don't even understand what terms like "white privilege" or "systemic racism" really mean, they just get triggered by them.
Nice excerpt from the tolerance.org article:
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White privilege is—perhaps most notably in this era of uncivil discourse—a concept that has fallen victim to its own connotations. The two-word term packs a double whammy that inspires pushback. 1) The word white creates discomfort among those who are not used to being defined or described by their race. And 2) the word privilege, especially for poor and rural white people, sounds like a word that doesn’t belong to them—like a word that suggests they have never struggled.

This defensiveness derails the conversation, which means, unfortunately, that defining white privilege must often begin with defining what it’s not. Otherwise, only the choir listens; the people you actually want to reach check out.
 
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Trump's base does not think Fox News is conservative enough anymore and are moving further right. The extremists are moving underground.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/1...n-fraud-436369
 
  


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