USA Election 2020
How is it going?
What topics have emerged around it? What are your predictions? Let's continue discussing politics in a civilised manner on LQ! |
i find Trump's attitude / behavior amazing. (i think it is bad for democracy in USA.)
IMO Biden is going to win, at least i hope so. |
It appears Democrat run cities are going to 'find' enough votes to push Biden over the 270 mark. House will remain in D hands but large gains for Republicans will test Nancy's hold on "Speaker" position. It looks as if Mitch and Repubs will hold on to the Senate but barely, depending on the outcome of at least one, possibly two, run-off elections in Georgia.
The only fairly bright side for conservatives such as myself is that Trump may have brought many citizens with Caribbean and Central American Latino ancestry into the fold and exit polls seem to indicate he did better than expected with Black men. |
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- change to a preferential voting system to try to break the two party deadlock (my favourite); - scrap the Electoral College (they're mostly vocally in favour, I've never had to live with it - but it looks strange to my foreign eyes); - remove the President's executive powers and just have them as a titular head of state (my suggestion, which just gets blank stares in reply). Quote:
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From the other side of the pond, the U.S. elections have certainly provided considerable entertainment value. For instance:
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Things are going the way they should: counting ballots after the election is normal and legal. The current POTUS is throwing a temper tantrum however, because he believe the opposition party is "stealing" the election. Not happening. The officials at the state level (for each state) are in charge of counting the ballots for their respective state. There are officials present at the counting events from BOTH parties to ensure rules and procedures are followed.
Now that the decision is in the hands of the states and not the federal government, I feel better about the situation. Even the news media seems to be on point for dismissing the president's rambling nonsense. What he is doing is what he has done for 4 years: spread FUD. Remember the Ballmer Microsoft days and the FUD campaigns against Linux? Same thing but on a political. level. |
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As far as fraud is concerned, a certain amount of it goes on in every election. Some people vote twice, some people fake their addresses, some people cast votes for their pets! It happens. But is there evidence of enough systematic fraud to swing a national election? Personally I doubt it. Remember, some of the most disputed states (Georgia for instance) are run by the Republicans. We do have in my country an example of an election that was won by stuffing envelopes. A man called Lutfur Rahman was elected mayor of the London Borough of Tower Hamlets in an election that turned out to be completely fraudulent. I believe he's in prison now. But this exception proves the rule: Tower Hamlets is a tiny place. I don't see anything like this being possible right across a country the size of the United States. My take on the result is that Trump will sue on an enormous scale, the whole thing will go to the Supreme Court, and the Court will decide for Trump because he has conveniently stuffed it with his supporters. Remember, some of these people genuinely believe that Trump is the Messiah and that Democrats are satanists who kill children and eat their adrenals!! All this isn't going to do America's international reputation any good at all. The country will end up about as much respected as Belarus. |
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The U.S. election machine is practically designed to enable voter fraud: Lax ID checks, no national standards for voting or tallying of votes, no automatic checks against census databases, and as of recently in several states, general mail-in voting with no chain of custody. If that wasn't bad enough, some states (like Pennsylvania) have laws that specifically allow for tallying mail-in votes that arrive late, without a legible postmark. Not that a postmark would have helped much, as we've just had a USPS whistleblower name his superior as having ordered mail-in ballots collected on the day after the election to be separated from other mail, and then manually backdated with a (false) postmark. The Trump campaign and Trump himself insists on investigations, so it's pretty safe to assume they're not involved in fraud in this election. Of course, that doesn't mean local republicans in various states aren't trying to rig the election. The Democrats, however, are fighting tooth and nail to stop any and all investigations. I can only conclude that they know there's something fishy going on, and fear that an investigation would hurt them. |
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After the 2016 election President Trump created the voter integrity commission ran by VP Spence and Kris Kobach. Kris Kobach claims of widespread voter fraud in the state of Kansas only found 9 cases. 7 of the 9 I believe were voting twice in CO and KS because they believed they could since they owned land in both states. The commission received such backlash from the states that it disbanded in 2018 and never published a report. Voter rolls are highly inaccurate but they found no evidence of widespread fraud from what I have read. |
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my buddy didn't believe me. i am not sure how things go forward now. |
While I might have many more agreements with one of them on a policy standpoint, I consider both Trump and Biden disgusting human beings. This is not negotiable.
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If an individual can find a list of SSNs for some long deceased individuals, punch them into a machine, and get told "Your vote was registered in Pennsylvania", should we believe a) that he was just really, really lucky and uncovered one of very few cases of fraudulent votes, or b) that this is probably the tip of a much larger iceberg? And what about Wisconsin? Are we to believe that some 400,000+ voters registered to vote in the 3-4 days prior to the election (or used same-day registration), all without causing any noticeable delays, bringing the election turnout to a ridiculous 89%? Or might this perhaps warrant an investigation of some sorts? Quote:
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Project Veritas is a known right wing activist group for producing fake or highly edited videos. No other news source has reported this story so with something of this significance it is difficult to believe.
There were thousands of legal ballots not delivered by the USPS and that a Federal court order made them sweep the mail processing facilities searching for lost ballots. |
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