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teckk 06-30-2013 03:56 PM

US bugged EU offices
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-...spying-report/

http://www.salon.com/2013/06/29/nsa_...ean_countries/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...U-offices.html

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...06-30-11-02-16

http://m.washingtonpost.com/politics...ca8_print.html

kooru 07-01-2013 02:34 AM

worse and worse

k3lt01 07-01-2013 03:05 AM

Do I comment? Yeah why not.

I suspect every country will do whatever it can to spy on others, allies or not. I doubt the US is alone in this.

This is just an opinion so don't bother asking for evidence.

H_TeXMeX_H 07-01-2013 04:28 AM

Not too important as they are Allies. If it were spying on Axis members like China and Russia it would have been a much bigger deal.

sundialsvcs 07-01-2013 06:54 AM

It's rather a remarkable example of the "assumption of United States Exceptionalism" ... or naiveté, as the case may be ... to hear this notion "simply being bantered about."

"We're eavesdropping on every single one of your telephone conversations and e-mails ... and ours, too. So what? We're the USA!"

In the real planet, that just doesn't fly. And the military industrialists are about to find that out first-hand.

H_TeXMeX_H 07-01-2013 07:16 AM

Here's some more info:
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/07/...uropean-allies
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...uropean-allies

teckk 07-01-2013 08:19 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/30/op...m.html?hp&_r=0

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-908636.html

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-908614.html

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23125451

jens 07-01-2013 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k3lt01 (Post 4981561)
Do I comment? Yeah why not.

I suspect every country will do whatever it can to spy on others, allies or not. I doubt the US is alone in this.

This is just an opinion so don't bother asking for evidence.

Are you serious?
Spying on allies is simply not done.

Obama will have a hard time explaining this, ... most EU countries do care.

cynwulf 07-01-2013 10:54 AM

I find it ironic that the US, a country which mercilessly pursues and persecutes anyone, irrespective of their country of residence/nationality, who dares to hack into government/defence networks, feels that it has a free license to spy on it's supposed allies.

I find it ironic, but it doesn't surprise me at all.

H_TeXMeX_H 07-01-2013 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cynwulf (Post 4981805)
I find it ironic that the US, a country which mercilessly pursues and persecutes anyone, irrespective of their country of residence/nationality, who dares to hack into government/defence networks, feels that it has a free license to spy on it's supposed allies.

I find it suspicious that "a country which mercilessly pursues and persecutes anyone, irrespective of their country of residence/nationality" doesn't just send an agent to Moscow after Sowden.

It isn't so suspicious considering that he may still be on a secret mission, and maybe we are watching his mission evolve.

k3lt01 07-01-2013 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jens (Post 4981756)
Are you serious?
Spying on allies is simply not done.

So it's good enough for France but not for anyone else is that right?

Quote:

Originally Posted by jens (Post 4981756)
Obama will have a hard time explaining this, ... most EU countries do care.

It is a bit hypocritical for some of them to be complaining. Many think spying is unacceptable, full stop, but it happens and suggesting the US is the only country in the world to spy on its allies, friends, trading partners, whatever anyone wants to call them denies that countries like France have a long history of it.

jefro 07-01-2013 08:01 PM

I doubt they were spying on Germany to find out how to make VW's and Schnitzel.

linuxCode 07-01-2013 08:49 PM

It's unanimous NOBODY TRUST ANYONE ANYMORE!

jens 07-02-2013 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k3lt01 (Post 4981984)
So it's good enough for France but not for anyone else is that right?

Yes.

I guess this is what most non-europeans don't understand about our union.
Every member is still (more or less) a sovereign country with it's own laws.

EU is supposed to be neutral ground.

DavidMcCann 07-02-2013 11:38 AM

Nations have always spied on one another, largely regardless of alliances, and they always will. Naturally, when they get caught, the "victims" will get on their high horses. As has been pointed out, France has spied on everyone and carried out black ops too (remember the destruction of the Rainbow Warrior?)

The only difference is that when the USA spies, its own citizens kick up more fuss than those spied on! A sanctimonious bunch, and boring with it.


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