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Old 11-14-2019, 05:53 AM   #121
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In an ever changing world more laws are required.
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While yes, things are changing all the time, I don't think it's about have "more laws". I think it's about having "smarter laws" that actually have merit and are realistic. The problem with passing laws for the sake of passing laws is that you end up with nanny state type laws, and laws that aren't likely to be followed and are hard to properly enforce. It also requires the "lawmakers" to actually have knowledge and insight in to the issues they are making laws about. Also, the government has no place to be dictating how people live and run their personal lives, unless it's something that can cause others harm. Beyond that, it should be none of the government's business. The laws regarding homosexuality are a prime example of laws the government should not be making in the first place, and where they should but out, and mind their own bloody business - as it's not the government's place to even be concerned with such things. Personally, I'd say the same with marriage laws, particularly gay marriage laws.

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A simplistic quantitative approach is just naive.
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Yes, I can agree totally on that point.

Regarding the thread topic directly; this whole mess they call "Brexit" is a direct result of the fact there was no planning for the possibility people would vote to leave the EU. And Cameron therefore just assumed enough people would vote to stay instead. So I agree now people have a far better idea of what the possible outcomes are now, it's right to hold another vote on whether to leave or stay. As people clearly didn't properly understand what leaving the EU meant before voting to leave. Even some of those that did vote to leave now say that they simply didn't understand the choice, and would vote to stay if another vote was held from what I've seen and read in the media.
 
Old 11-14-2019, 06:06 AM   #122
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NHS waiting times for October are out..

Queue the unqualified statisticians ( aka politicians ) miss-interpretations of % based stats.

It will be interesting to see if the fact checkers point to correct interpretations of the complete data ( actual volumes rather than % )


which is bigger?
80% of 10000 or 79.50% of 10063

through put can be more, but the percentile appears "worse"
 
Old 11-14-2019, 06:11 AM   #123
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@jsbjsb001

totally agree
equality should not be a matter of law, instead it should be change in culture
using law to expedite a change in culture can be counter productive.
( "nanny state" )
 
Old 11-14-2019, 12:30 PM   #124
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Question: Who are the "Lords" accountable to? Since they are not elected, who do they answer to, what process does the UK have to "remove" one from office or punish one for crimes (bribery, fraud etc...)?
If a member commits a crime, they are treated in the same way as any other criminal: the UK is not a country that has parliamentary immunity. The House itself has the power to suspend or expel its members.

An irrelevant (?) question: why do people of a certain type give silly locations, like "earth" or "/dev/planet2"? Are they ashamed of where they come from? Or is this a joke that's so obscure that I don't get it?
 
Old 11-14-2019, 12:42 PM   #125
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An irrelevant (?) question: why do people of a certain type give silly locations, like "earth" or "/dev/planet2"? Are they ashamed of where they come from? Or is this a joke that's so obscure that I don't get it?
As one of those people who gives a silly location in his profile, I will respond - because a] if I gave my geographical location it would be easier for certain people to identify me, which I don't necessarily want b] my location is the name of a map from Quake 1, probably my favourite game of all time c] it says something about my interests, which have, for many years, had a dark focus, so d] it's not a physical location, but a metaphysical one. It's both personal and practical, in my case.

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Old 11-14-2019, 12:44 PM   #126
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One thing that irritates me is the frequent statement that people only voted for Brexit because they were lied to. Of course they were lied to! Politicians always lie and everybody knows it. The Remainers were lied to just as much; some of the stuff that came out of the Treasury was appallingly mendacious and, to make matters worse, civil servants were used to produce it at taxpayers' expense. That particularly offends me as an ex-civil servant because we always prided ourselves on our political neutrality. How was it even legal?

I can't remember a general election that was followed by the winning party actually keeping their promises but I think the lying is worse now than it used to be when I was young. I'm sure most people no longer take any notice of anything that the parties promise. They base their decision on other factors.
 
Old 11-14-2019, 07:02 PM   #127
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it's right to hold another vote on whether to leave or stay. As people clearly didn't properly understand what leaving the EU meant before voting to leave.
Firstly - it's far from clear that people didn't properly understand what leaving the EU meant. We hear this over and over, it doesn't apply to me, it doesn't apply to anybody I know who voted leave and it doesn't apply to anyone I've ever heard interviewed on any form of media (not TV, radio, youtube, etc). Well that's not quite true, I do remember on the morning after the referendum the BBC found one young girl who said she didn't know what she was voting for . . . I couldn't help wondering how many hundreds of people the BBC had to interview before they found her (if she wasn't really remainer or a BBC intern that had been coached).

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Even some of those that did vote to leave now say that they simply didn't understand the choice, and would vote to stay if another vote was held from what I've seen and read in the media.
I no longer have any trust whatsoever in our media who have been caught out too many times deliberately misleading the public.

There are several problems with a second referendum.

1) You are telling 17.4 million people that if they do not vote as they are told their votes will not count
2) Why would a leaver vote in a second referendum - you didn't honour the last one, you'll honour the next one if you win but why would I believe you'll honour it if you don't.
3) What is the question - remainers want a vote between Boris's hideous treaty (which is essentially remaining) and remaining, thanks but Hobson's Choice doesn't interest me very much.
 
Old 11-14-2019, 09:09 PM   #128
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If a member commits a crime, they are treated in the same way as any other criminal: the UK is not a country that has parliamentary immunity. The House itself has the power to suspend or expel its members.

An irrelevant (?) question: why do people of a certain type give silly locations, like "earth" or "/dev/planet2"? Are they ashamed of where they come from? Or is this a joke that's so obscure that I don't get it?
First part: interesting, are the members of the House of Lords lifetime appointments? Is there an age restriction for when they can start/enter that service?

Second part: Mine is listed as such because I travel so much, difficult to say where I will be... literally is where ever needed.
 
Old 11-14-2019, 09:13 PM   #129
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One thing that irritates me is the frequent statement that people only voted for Brexit because they were lied to. Of course they were lied to! Politicians always lie and everybody knows it. The Remainers were lied to just as much; some of the stuff that came out of the Treasury was appallingly mendacious and, to make matters worse, civil servants were used to produce it at taxpayers' expense. That particularly offends me as an ex-civil servant because we always prided ourselves on our political neutrality. How was it even legal?

I can't remember a general election that was followed by the winning party actually keeping their promises but I think the lying is worse now than it used to be when I was young. I'm sure most people no longer take any notice of anything that the parties promise. They base their decision on other factors.
If Politicians told the truth and revealed their true intentions who on Earth would vote for them except family, close friends and most hard core supporters. It's a shame that it has become such a sham. If we legalized honesty I think we would have to invoke the Jesus clause of "...he who casts the first stone..." The voters need to do a better job of being as informed as possible and listen with discerning ears/hearts and minds and not emotion. When we can get past fear, exuberance and uncertainty (and any other strong emotion) we will get closer to seeing the "truth". Strong emotion is usually a sign we are being misled.
 
Old 11-15-2019, 03:54 AM   #130
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my location is the name of a map from Quake 1, probably my favourite game of all time
I thought that seemed familiar.

I just updated mine. "/dev/planet2" seemed funny and original at the time, but I have to agree, it now just seems very fanboi-like and silly.

 
Old 11-15-2019, 04:43 AM   #131
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I thought that seemed familiar.
It's E2M7, a secret level whose entrance is made accessible through one of the secret areas in E2M3.

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I just updated mine.
For some reason I thought you lived in Yorkshire. I have no idea why, it makes no sense.

EDIT: also the small poem in my current signature is taken from Quake 1 mod Arcane Dimensions which I thoroughly recommend, especially the "Forgotten Sepulcher" map which is utter genius.

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