All that doesn't change the situation. If I buy a PC (even with Windows pre-installed) they have absolutely no right to lock it to Windows only, at least as long that machine isn't advertised as "Windows only" machine.
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Who own the software is irrelevant. Whoever owns it, they have no right to lock you out of your own computer, especially even before you purchase and use it and agree to any EULA. What if I refuse to agree to the M$ EULA ?
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You can't be locked out of it before you purchase it. When a brand new machine refuses to boot and doesn't allow to install new system, it is a different story - you have no personal information on it yet, and without UEFI you would call it a "malfunction". In my region I can return such item (that cannot be used for my purposes) within certain period and get full refund - even if it works just fine and I simply disliked the color. As for your "rights"... can you support your statement with anything? According to WHAT law they have "no right" to do that? You're no lawyer, I am no lawyer, but the whole thing sounds like a complicated gray area that needs to be settled in the court. Please note that *I* am not interested in explanation, but if *you* are afraid of Microsoft forbidding you to boot linux, you should at least know WHY they "have no right" to do that. Just in case this actually happens and you'll decide to sue them. Using word "rights" without knowing which laws grants them doesn't sound very convincing. Quote:
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Actually, if I think over it, this may be very funny. Imagine someone manages to hack that functionality and spreads a malware that locks out Windows from booting.
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I don't care about the law. If there isn't a law, it needs to be made. If there is a law that allows M$ to do this, then it must be broken. |
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Ok, done. I have the right to do whatever I want, and I am the one who grants me this right.
Anyone that says I don't have the right to do something better have a good argument against it or a gun to my head. I will never say that I don't have the right to do something. I do take into account the chances of being found and arrested. Why not get back on topic eh ? |
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It's hard to speculate at this early stage in time of MS's intentions since windows 8 is not out yet. MS may do this or it could be just the usual FUDD. We just have to wait and see.
Either way, it wouldn't affect me since I don't use windows. The only thing that may worry me is if we build our own systems from scratch and the motherboard has this UEFI chip, will it be expecting a signed OS to be installed. Or if a person buys a OEM desktop with windows 8 pre-install and decides to wipe out windows completely and install linux or other OS, can this UEFI chip prevent the new OS from booting since it's not signed. Whether it's yes or no, they need to provide the option to turn secure boot off. |
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I wonder if it isn't counterproductive for Microsoft when locked systems are sold. For example, when a buyer of a locked machine later wants to try a different operating system and he recognizes that Microsoft locked him out he may buy a system without Windows the next time. |
I guess this may be similar to the Win 9x days, when OEMs came out with those Winmodems, Winprinters, Win sound cards that wouldn't work with Linux.
Now they will have Win computers....interesting! This is a very gray area and since Win8 is not released yet, we have to wait and see what happens. |
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But if you make the major purchase sight unseen(hands on/testing) or without knowing agreements or configuration then you could be locked into the purchase by the purchase/consumer agreement laws here in the USA. You do have the right to return within a 3 day period. You can invalidate/void agreements within that 3 day grace period for major purchases. Consumer grade computer appliances are becoming systems that are controlled by either vendors or OS specific driven hardware, i.e; M$, Apple, Google. Classic example: Netbooks that are really becoming hardware that eventually will be locked or limited consumer configuration. Personally I really am uncomfortable with the way computer hardware/software are evolving in the propriety arena. It's not that one person can do much about changing things. Reminds me of the days when we had closeted computer rooms that controlled system environments for all users. PC users unite! Long live Personal Computers. Sorry but those will fade as did the Studebaker. :hattip: |
Of course you have to inform yourself if the system is compatible with the OS you want to run on it, but in this case it may be totally compatible, but you are locked out nonetheless.
To make things worse, you can get two absolutely identical systems, to the very least part identical, but one has the Microsoft key in it and one has no key. One will lock you out, one not. |
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