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Old 07-17-2023, 06:52 PM   #76
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@Jan K. I don't find your first link to be particularly relevant.
Of course you don't

It was just to point out that some things indeed are going up on tweeter...

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The sample rate the team used for their analysis was extracted on a very short timeline before and after Musk's acquisition of Twitter and extended only through 2022 before measures such as 'blue check' verification and others could effectively reduce the load of 'bots' regurgitating trash across the platform.

"Using this methodology, the team extracted timelines of a sample of users who posted hateful tweets one month before and after Musk's purchase and measured their daily rates of hate speech during the same time period. ...Then, they measured the overall volume of hateful tweets throughout 2022."
Mmmhh, right then. Here's an upcoming lawsuit... 106% rise in hate speech...

"Analysts detected 325,739 English-language antisemitic tweets in the nine months from June 2022 to February 2023, with the weekly average number of antisemitic tweets increasing by 106% when comparing the period before and after Musk’s acquisition. The rate of creation of antisemitic accounts more than tripled in the period after Musk’s takeover.

From https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...ed-hate-tweets
 
Old 07-18-2023, 05:16 AM   #77
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...Mmmhh, right then. Here's an upcoming lawsuit... 106% rise in hate speech...
Over 6 tweets, reputedly anti-semetic, alleged to have been reported and either not taken down in a timely manner or in some cases no action at all. The supposed 106% increase of course depends on who's doing the analysis.

Given Germany's actions in WW2 as well as the non-actions of some of the bordering States that stood by under the guise of 'neutrality', it is no surprise that much of Europe is hyper-sensitive to some forms of 'speech.' I fully expect some sort of retaliation against Musk.

Maintaining true "free speech" is a tightrope that is hard to walk.
 
Old 07-18-2023, 02:13 PM   #78
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Maintaining true "free speech" is a tightrope that is hard to walk.
Quite correct, but I'd take it a step further and say that completely free speech is never really a true possibility in a civilised society.

We have laws against certain behaviors because unfortunately common sense and common decency are both sorely lacking. These laws exist to maintain minimum standards of decorum, because some humans want everyone to live in a cess pit.
 
Old 07-20-2023, 06:32 AM   #79
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"Twitter owner Elon Musk noted the first payouts—which pay creators for the ads that appear in their reply threads—would be cumulative from when he first announced the program in February. ...Musk said last month that the first block of payments for creators would total $5 million. ...Internet hall of fame, one of the platform’s most-followed meme pages, shared its payout Thursday, which apparently amounted to a whopping $107,274." https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonio...h=6e96dd96698e
 
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The payouts were first reported by the Washington Post, which also noted that Musk is favoring specific right-wing influencers who support and agree with him, while excluding those he has had conflicts with . . . suggesting that he’s not applying the site’s terms of service equally to every account. The paper also quoted an anonymous former Twitter executive who said that it appeared as though the payouts were “pulled out of thin air for a specific subset of creators that he wanted to placate.”

https://www.fastcompany.com/90924199...users-to-tweet

Of course, Andrew Tate is a friend and indeed a wonderful person.


Maintaining true "free speech" is a tightrope that is hard to walk.

Twitter speech is only for agreing friends... just do a search for banned users...
 
Old 07-20-2023, 05:15 PM   #81
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[I] ...suggesting that he’s not applying the site’s terms of service equally to every account. The paper also quoted an anonymous former Twitter executive...
Maintaining true "free speech" is a tightrope that is hard to walk.
Suggesting, anonymous, so many 'buzz' words, lol. Let me know when someone actually proves something factual.

"Elon Musk

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It’s not exactly per impression. What matters is how many ads were shown to other verified users.

Only verified users count, as it is otherwise trivial to game the system with bots.
11:59 PM · Jul 13, 2023" https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1679717154973945856
 
Old 07-21-2023, 08:09 AM   #82
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Here's a scientific paper on it:

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2304.04129.pdf

But I expect you'll dismiss it, as you tend to do when presented with facts.
 
Old 07-21-2023, 08:19 AM   #83
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"Twitter owner Elon Musk noted the first payouts—which pay creators for the ads that appear in their reply threads—would be cumulative from when he first announced the program in February. ...Musk said last month that the first block of payments for creators would total $5 million. ...Internet hall of fame, one of the platform’s most-followed meme pages, shared its payout Thursday, which apparently amounted to a whopping $107,274." https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonio...h=6e96dd96698e
So, paying people to use your product (or service) is a sound business strategy?
 
Old 07-21-2023, 10:16 AM   #84
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Here's a scientific paper on it:

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2304.04129.pdf

But I expect you'll dismiss it, as you tend to do when presented with facts.
I dismiss conjecture that is called 'fact.' Again, this paper extracts a timeline as the basis for their measurements that precedes some of the changes that Musk made to the platform, and truncates the period of time that those changes may have had to become effective. For example - reduction of 'bot' accounts:

A bit of truth at the end of 6 pages of speculation:
"Our methods cannot prove a causal relationship between Musk’s takeover and hate speech or bot levels."

"...Social bots have a significant presence on Twitter, estimated to be 9–15% of accounts (Varol et al. 2017). Research found people struggle distinguishing between bots and humans, meaning the presence of bots on Twitter may not be obvious to its user base (Cresci et al. 2017). ..."

There is much speculation that bot accounts greatly increased following Trump's election and that increase followed both sides of the political spectrum as well as instigation from foreign governments.

"As new interventions to combat spam bots require time to be introduced following Musk’s takeover, we checked for differences in distributions of Botometer scores in the period Oct. 27th – Dec. 2nd compared to Dec. 3rd – Dec. 31st. [Once more, a very short timeline.] However, we found no decreases in overall bot scores, rather there were significant increases in certain categories of scores. We caution that this should not be taken as auditing the efficacy of specific bot-prevention policies."

"...First, we extract timelines of a sample of users who posted hateful tweets one month before and after Musk’s purchase and measure their daily rates of hate speech during the same time period. Then, we measure the overall volume of hateful tweets throughout 2022. ..."

and:

"...Overall, we find both hate speech and bot scores increased following Musk’s purchase. While no direct causal relationships between specific changes to Twitter policies or features can be inferred from our analysis, we speculate as to the likely causes of the patterns we document, ..." Emphasis mine.

I also doubt that an API trained in this way is relevant to a World wide user base: "While the Perspective API was trained on New York Times data, it has been verified on a range of social media platforms, including Twitter (Saveski, Roy, and Roy 2021)."

Last edited by mjolnir; 07-21-2023 at 12:19 PM. Reason: Changed the word science to fact in my first sentence.
 
Old 07-24-2023, 12:13 AM   #85
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Any scientist worth their salt will tell you that "correlation does not imply causation." The quote you chose to pluck from the document is saying so using different words.

But that doesn't change the fact that hate speech and bot levels both increased after Musk's takeover, as noted in the report:

"We document marked changes in hate speech and bot levels on Twitter following Musk’s takeover."

You can continue to ignore the science if you like... as I'm sure you will.
 
Old 07-24-2023, 07:04 AM   #86
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Is it just me, or does the new rebranded twitter 'X' logo look very much like the X.org 'X' logo?

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Old 07-24-2023, 07:40 AM   #87
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Is it just me, or does the new rebranded twitter 'X' logo look very much like the X.org 'X' logo?
Fairly similar.
 
Old 07-26-2023, 11:17 AM   #88
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It's a typical Musk decision. Twitter isn't twitter any more. The one bit of it left working was the blue bird and the 'tweet' that had been added to the English language. Now he's broken them also.

If I was hiring him to run twitter, I'd have fired him months ago. We should start guessing when his "asset" will become a liability. End of 2024?
 
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At this point, it is beginning to seem like he's actively sabotaging himself.

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I use Twitter via my desktop browser and it works just fine for me.
 
  


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