I come across an article and found it both ironic as well as one of those "oh yeah, sounds like Trump" moments. Guess who is the latest person to say something 'interesting' [maybe disturbing] about Trump? Bill Gates. Yep, that's right!

I guess I'm wondering where people here stand on weather Trump's a bigot, racist, misogynist, etc.

My personal view is that, he just doesn't care what other people think and I think at least some of the above labels would apply. I don't think he understands things like immigration, health care, how the other half really live, etc.

For the record: The above are only my own personal observations and no, I don't live in the USA. So I don't claim to be any expert on USA politics.

Really anything related to Trump would be fair game in my book, as far as any reply's to this thread are concerned.

What do you think about him? Do you think he has/is made/making America great again?

I was ready in the beginning to give him enough rope to hang himself. After all, he was the choice of the American people. And there's a saying: "It couldn't be done but the damn fool didn't know that and went and did it." I thought maybe Trump might be that kind of fool, that not knowing how things are done might allow him to do the supposedly impossible.

But he hasn't succeeded in doing anything useful, as far as I can see. He hasn't made America great again (unless you think a stock market boom is all you need). He hasn't stopped migration or terrorism. He hasn't defused the new cold war with Russia. The people in the rustbucket states are still out of work. Mostly all he does is make people laugh at him and his silly tweets.

I'm curious, doesn't a post of this nature come very close to "trolling". It is sure to cause inflammatory responses etc... Especially, with regards to those outside the USA commenting on an American President.

The general forum has very little moderation by jeremy's hand.

It does seem that everyone on the planet Earth has some objection to the US. They don't seem to have objections to countries that are totally out of touch with human rights.

Politics and religion are two topics I've learned not best discussed online as it inevitably leads to discord, so I'm not going there.

However, I can make the qualified observation that he is a narcissist, and they are in general the most horrible of people IMO.


How the weather in your area, no matter whether you live in the US or not?

That's fair enough.

Yeah, sorry, you're correct - that's meant to be "whether". For some reason I keep missing a letter here and there, sorry. I didn't notice it until you pointed it out.

On further reflection, I've decided to take the bait for fun and educational purposes. BTW, Jefro, I liked your original post better....

Let's look at some facts:

1) He (referring to Pres. Trump since its easier to type he), is the first "strong" President the US has had for approx. 30+ years.
2) He has accomplished most of his campaign promises in just 1.5 years in office, others are being worked on
3) Very close to bringing peace to Korea, and for many people it may be the first time we see progress towards a United Korea. Even if that does not happen, it is a major global event to see the "official" end of the Korean War after 60+ years. Release of prisoners from North Korea. That did happen, and where is the recognition.
4) Obama received the Nobel Peace Prize his first year in office just for promising to do things...Pres. Trump actually did/does/is doing things and...crickets from the Nobel Board. Oh that's right the Nobel Board typically only recognizes fellow Marxist/Lenonist/Socialists....
5) He has taken action on international matters that other Presidents, Prime Ministers etc... were only willing to keep kicking the can down the road, waiting for someone else to do something, or just to pretend to be doing something.
6) US unemployment is currently at its lowest level in 18+ years, and is anticipated to reach 30+ year lows, perhaps more by next year.
7) Stock Market is a moderate indicator of economic success, and yes the US stock market is at historic levels and shows potential for more growth
8) North Korea agreed to televise the destruction of its main Nuclear factory/plant.
9) EU states are now paying NATO for agreed Protection/Trade agreements, even back paying for decades long overdue charges
10) As US pulls back from some parts of the world it allows others to step up, ie: European countries protecting themselves, imagine that....Chancellor Merkel threatened such recently, retired Congressman Ron Paul said Europe protecting itself instead of the US protecting it is one of the greatest things to happen since the end of WWII. I agree.
11) He has strengthened states rights in many ways, reinforcing the US Constitution (yes our laws are different, accept it and move on people).
12) Lowered tax rates to their lowest levels in 30+ years, stimulating an immediate boost to the US economy.
13) New trade deals with Canada, Mexico, China, UK and other countries.
14) Actually following the US Constitution and federal law which mandates protecting the US border.
15) enforcing current immigration laws that other Presidents and Congress neglected to
16) Protecting the US Bills of Rights, especially the 2nd Amendment (we in the US have a right to guns, again, get over it and move on)
17) Began to dismantle Obamacare, which has become an octopus of legislation with its tentacles in almost every corner of the US economy, this one will take time otherwise it could collapse the system (that was by design)
18) Strengthened the ability to import raw herbal materials from China and Japan, Obamacare actually began to restrict this in Obamas last year in office, causing raw materials to sit at the border for 6 months....within Pres. Trumps first month in office he issued an executive order releasing these materials allowing them into the US. This had a personal impact for me and I thank him.
19) Opened the dialogue of mental health issues
20) Removing tens of thousands of illegal immigrants from the country especially criminal gang members.
21) Causing manufacturing to increase in the US for the first time in 30+ years, in some cities its increasing to levels not seen since the 1950's.
22) Companies returning to the US
23) trimmed billions of dollars of unnecessary spending from US budget
24) pissed off leaders of Marxist/Socialist countries, and Socialists in general (yes, that is an indicator that he is doing a good job in the USA)
25) and much more....

I don't know about you, but that is a long (and incomplete list) of accomplishments for 1.5 years in office. Keep in mind he has accomplished this while having to continuously defend himself against accusations from the Progressives (Democrat and Republican), who are bordering on breaking their Constitutional Oath of Office.

Also, keep in mind I am neutral to this entire thing, just tired of all the constant bashing with no recognition of what good has happened/is happening.

oh and PS: I don't give Gates any credibility, he also falls under #24 on this list.

Ya, we were told by the political left, when Bill Clinton was
accused of forceable rape, that it was more important for
him to stay in office than to investigate the rape charges.

The Trump "phenomenon" has been talked about for 1 1/2 years,
and why he is even in the white house.

Since 1992 or so, we Americans have been told every election,
that we have to vote for the lesser of 2 evils. We have said
that we don't like either candidate. Too bad, pick one.

The only alternative to Trump was, multiple felon, fake feminist,
too sick to stand up without tripping, without having a
coughing fit, fake fake fake Hillary Clinton. The woman that
called rape victims "Bimbo's and trailer park trash." How is that
for misogyny? Who called anyone who were not supporting her
"Deplorables". Who referred to the secret service agents that
protected her in the white house as "Trained pigs" then there was
Health-Care Gate, Filegate, Cattle-Futures Gate, Travelgate,
Whitewater Gate, Billing-Records Gate..

In March 2008, as Hillary Clinton was running for president, Jerry Zeifman,
the chief counsel to the House Judiciary Committee at the time of Nixon’s
impeachment and a lifelong Democrat expressed his profound disappointment
with her work on the committee. Among her transgressions were lying, removing
files from the committee offices without permission, and arguing that Nixon
shouldn’t be allowed any legal counsel before the committee. "I terminated
her employment on the Nixon impeachment staff," he told me. "My only regret
was I had not reported her unethical practices to the appropriate bar
associations. I could not recommend her for any subsequent position of public
or private trust."

Why was she running? It was her turn.
The country simply could not bear 4 more years of that.

Then there is America's fake, political action group media, that
was unashamedly in the tank for Hillary. We say how they refused
to even question "Their" candidate Obama to try and help him win.
And they were doing the same thing for "Their" candidate Hillary.
America had enough of them. I maintain that Trump did not win, so
much as the arrogant, smug, entitled political left lost the
election.

Even the political right did not consider Trump to be a
wonderful candidate, there just was no other choice, other than
to stay home and not vote.

Here is a video
http://www.pbs.org/video/trumps-takeover-purccz/

I don't vote and haven't in over 20 years, so I don't have a dog in the fight either. I'm small fry and what I have to say doesn't amount to a hill of frejoles in the political landscape.

TBH, I got so tired of seeing both of them during the election when I had a dispute with my cable company it sent me over the top and I cut cable TV and internet service for over a year.

Meh. I live in Texas. Trump is the least of my distractions.

Besides. Politics reminds me of football.

You got one team you are backing or the other team. I don't back either team. They are both self serving. I don't watch pro football either. College. It is OK.
But money rules College programs in this modern world also.

Hence. I'll think I'll go for a Friday evening motorcycle ride instead.

When the Mexicans, Asians, Blacks, Lesbians, Gay Men, Gang Bangers, lower class, come into power.
After wresting

From the current powers that be.

Then I might pay attention. Because they got a grudge building that will be a wonder to witness.

PS. There was more than one choice this election.

The optimist minds of the younger generation chose Bernie Sanders.

The Older generation. With no optimism in their aged brains. Well. You see the results in this forum in posts, and in the election.

@jefro, I have to agree with ChuangTzu here; I didn't see anything wrong with your post above, so it's a shame you deleted it. I can't remember word for word what you wrote, but from what I can remember, I think you had some valid points. Hopefully you can restore your comments.

I'm the same myself, I don't see the point in voting for anyone if all choices are bad anyway. I even got fined over $500 for not voting - because where I live it's compulsory to vote. So I haven't had any 'dogs' of my own in the race, where I live. So I guess I'm similar to yourself in that regard. I also think that teckk also brings up some very good points.

I think as far as Trump is concerned, there should be at least a couple of things said to fair;

* I can understand why people voted for him, I'm not saying that I like him either, but there are valid reasons as to why people voted for him. I think a large part of the reason (if not the main reason) is the fact that people where sick and tried of the lies and misinformation and similar that the "Establishment" continued to put out to people - basically treating people like mugs, for lack of better words.

* At the end of the day, people have a right to vote for Trump and indeed did. And Trump indeed did win the election. I don't believe in people being dictated to about who they should vote for, it's wrong in my book.

* In all fairness to Trump, he has kept a lot of his promises, and done a lot of what he promised in the election campaign.

I think that the Democrats made a BIG mistake in going with Hillary, they should have gone with Bernie Sanders. As, I think he probably would have won - think about it; unlike Hillary, Bernie was NOT a part of the "Establishment". Hillary most certainly was, and I think that was a big part of why there was the distrust that we saw with Hillary.

I think that Trump is playing with fire with his constant tweets bagging the "Mueller Investigation". I think he'd be far better off saying nothing - or at least waiting for it to finish. And yes it should be a court that decides who's lying and who isn't, etc. NOT a "trail by media", that doesn't help anyone - I personally do believe that Russia (as they have done elsewhere - not just the USA) did in fact interfere in the election.

I also think that this distrust of the "Establishment" is not just restricted to the USA. I can see a similar thing happening where I live, but unfortunately, people where I live for the most part seem to be just way too passive. And just seem to accept that, well, "that's the way it is, what are you going to do?" or "what can we do, that's politicians for you" - and people wonder why they just get more of the same ? I don't. I don't personally see any point in voting even for someone else instead given the above. The problems with Independents is that, unless you have a major political party behind you, then you may be able to speak your mind, but you can't change much without the support of a major party.

I found this video as well - for full disclosure. (I haven't watched it all tho) But, in the interest of hearing all sides, I figured it was worth posting it.

Since this is a Trump thread, here is some more.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.fdde53952dd5

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/18/u...stigation.html

http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/25/ge...london-emails/

I too think Sanders would have won if he had been allowed to run. He appealed to the same part of the electorate (the left-behind working class) as Trump did, and tapped into the same widespread anger with the political establishment. But he could also, as a socialist, appeal to the liberal left. And he was and is a decent man, while Trump is a preening lecherous bully. The Democrats got precisely what they deserved when they shafted him.

Geez! and I thought the Faith and Religion Mega Thread had a considerable list of "facts" with zero evidence. I think I'll stay clear of this quagmire and just say that Checks and Balances in the US seems to have morphed into a BiPolar swing state, probably beginning with Supreme Court stuffing. Maybe that's healthy but that remains to be seen.