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Old 02-22-2018, 03:46 PM   #1
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Tracking a School Shooting Threat


There has been a rash of threats to schools and school children in my area since the Parkland shooting last week; I suspect that my area is not alone in this.

Most of them seem to be coming from stupid juveniles who have seized the opportunity to do something stupid and juvenile.

Today, my local rag told the story of how one 14-year old was traced through his Instagram post. There's nothing in the technique the cops used that should surprise anyone here, but I thought you all might find the article interesting, as it goes into a bit more detail than you usually see in such items as to how the police proceeded, all the while complying with procedures.

The kid, by the by, is now charged with a felony. I doubt the threat was any more than a stupid teen-aged boy prank, but he's going to pay a big price for it.

https://pilotonline.com/news/local/c...db4d0bffa.html

As an aside, I happen to drive by the school in question on the way home from my LUG meetings,
 
Old 02-22-2018, 03:52 PM   #2
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This is fantastic.
 
Old 02-22-2018, 03:55 PM   #3
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great article....

This is what happens when society degrades to the point where kids have no respect for anyone including themselves. Music, Movies and sub-cultures encouraging violence, disrespect, anarchy, socialism etc... If they do get in trouble its usually a light sentence that disappears when they turn 18. There is also a strong political motivation in this (note how Soros was caught paying some of the families protesting). Adults act like they are afraid of kids, remember when kids had a natural shyness around adults, and they knew not to misbehave. sigh.

And, yet no mention of how many of these kids are on anti-depressants, or have ADD, Autism etc...

Create harsh punishments for the delinquents, respond to these threats as seriously as any other terrorist threat and it will stop overnight. As long as people think that its just kids being kids or we as a nation sit around too afraid or too dumbed down by our breads and circuses it will only continue.

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Old 02-22-2018, 04:15 PM   #4
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Detectives are glad when suspects have a cell phone or social media accounts because it can give them a trove of evidence, Pickering said. They can find evidence of a crime itself or they can see who he interacts with and who his friends are.
Be careful what you wish for ...
 
Old 02-23-2018, 09:42 AM   #5
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My parents child abuse parenting practise’s kept my foolishness in line. And I was a handful. I still am.

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Some countries are raising a nation of psychopaths. There is audio of the article below for those with poor eyesight.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...hopath/524502/
 
Old 02-23-2018, 11:40 AM   #6
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I fully expect that we can lay the blame upon the witches' brew of psycho-active drugs to which many kids have been subjected since earliest childhood. (Do we have any idea what these things do to developing human brains?)

Only one problem: it's a billion-dollar business. So, I guess that squirming kids will just have to keep taking their zombie-drugs. If you find that they have turned into psychopaths who have "no feelings at all," well, that's just the $$ New $$ Normal $$.
 
Old 02-23-2018, 08:43 PM   #7
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I fully expect that we can lay the blame upon the witches' brew of psycho-active drugs to which many kids have been subjected since earliest childhood. (Do we have any idea what these things do to developing human brains?)
I submit that that is rather a leap of logic.

I was 14 once. I didn't drink or do drugs (it was before drugs worked their way down to high schools). I was able to be quite stupid all on my ownsome without the assistance of outside agents.

I don't think I would have been that stupid, because I placed a high value on not getting caught, and that meant not being stupid in public. I can't be sure, though, because connectivity in those days meant good reception on your AM radio.

Then I turned 15, got my driver's license, and did even more stupid stuff, most of it at high speed, but I always managed not to get caught.

Remember, for teen-aged boys, "because you can" is a sufficient reason in and of itself to do something.
 
Old 02-24-2018, 03:19 PM   #8
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I think sundialsvcs was talking about legal drugs such as anti-depressants and ADD drugs moreso than the illegal ones but while I agree that their widespread usage is something of an experiment with uncertain effects, I doubt that is "the crux of the biscuit" in school shootings.

Unfortunately our schools still tend to act like mere job preparation with the "Three Rs" while leaving important and necessary teaching of things like how to budget money, how our systems work and how and why we should respect others especially the unusual and unique instead of merely conforming to what's popular at a time when teenagers experience huge peer pressure and alienation. Bullying is a huge problem yet it is fundamental to some personality types and some people crack under such pressure, especially when there is the perception there is nowhere to turn and it will go on forever just like one's "Permanent Record". When we add to that mix the influence of all manner of hate groups along with cheap and readily available weapons we have a volatile and often violent brew a-mixing, a powder keg that needs but a spark.

There are formal records of school shootings in the US as far back as 1913, long before such psychoactive drugs of any kind were commonplace, and nearly that far back in other countries all over the globe. The driving forces are similar to those displayed in the movie "The Gangs of New York" - ancestry, race, class, religion, etc. It is far deeper and more complex than just guns or drugs, even though that is of itself a volatile condition.
 
Old 02-24-2018, 04:49 PM   #9
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The kid, by the by, is now charged with a felony. I doubt the threat was any more than a stupid teen-aged boy prank, but he's going to pay a big price for it.
There is a lot to say about this statement.

Like you, I also believe it was a prank. So it have been ignored. BUT in the 1% of the cases it is not a prank and something actually happens, community is more than prepared to fully burn down the police for ignoring or neglecting clear indications. The public does not accept the police to say: "we were pretty sure it was a prank and we did not want to charge a 14 year old with a felony"

Police acts upon such published indications because they cannot act on unpublished, unseen and hidden indicators. And, it is easier to collect points on easy cases as on difficult cases.

I don't know how it is in the USA, but in the Netherlands it has happened more than once in 2017 that 14-year boys murdered other people. Being it schoolmates, parents or grandparents. Only it was not with firearms because firearms are much harder to get at for a 14-year old in western EU.

Don't take this as an attack on your post or statements. I think community has degraded to a sorry state like this were there school shootings happen, 14-year old children put out pranks on social media, and 14-year olds are charged with a felony which they did not really intend to commit.

And at the same time I am father of a 15 year old boy who also does stupid things and I don't know how to make him realize he should not. But I must say, the one time he was charged with a felony because of such a stupid prank (not weapon or violence related) it has learned him that pranks can have serious consequences. And on that point he is more careful now. Not in the sense of not being caught, but in the sense of not doing it anymore.

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Old 02-26-2018, 07:28 AM   #10
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Coming from a country where we don't have armed Police (except specific units for armed response or at airports), let alone the public just strolling about with firearms, I find the whole 'gun ownership' thing rather absurd.

Despite all of the vociferation from certain quarters, particularly NRA and all the talk about mental health, the availability of firearms is still the biggest factor here, which many choose to ignore. People are getting shot because firearms are available. If they were not available - i.e. illegal, the death toll would not be anywhere near so high.
 
Old 02-26-2018, 07:47 AM   #11
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I remember when it was local headline news if a Jr High student got caught just carrying a pocketknife in school. Much less cutting someone up with it.
 
Old 02-26-2018, 02:11 PM   #12
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Coming from a country where we don't have armed Police (except specific units for armed response or at airports), let alone the public just strolling about with firearms, I find the whole 'gun ownership' thing rather absurd.

Despite all of the vociferation from certain quarters, particularly NRA and all the talk about mental health, the availability of firearms is still the biggest factor here, which many choose to ignore. People are getting shot because firearms are available. If they were not available - i.e. illegal, the death toll would not be anywhere near so high.
oh cynwulf, this argument is so tired. I respect that your government does not permit guns except for the aristocrats, some hunting and some of the police. Can you not respect that we are a different country with different customs and different laws, yes we share some commonalities, yet we are also distinctly different. In fact, it is the nature of the European governments in particular England, that prompted the US Founding Fathers to enshrine the right to bear arms in our constitution. They famously stated that without the second amendment you cannot have the first amendment. Also, the US constitution does not grant rights, it was designed to "protect" rights, and to limit the authority of the government(s). This is a uniquely American idea(l).

Now, back to cynwulf and others claims that banning guns reduces crime, please explain why London consistently leads the world in violent crime, especially stabbings, rape and violent assaults, routinely only Latin America has more and sometimes the UK has more then them. Look at Chicago (in the US) they have the strictest gun laws in the nation yet the most violent crime. Compare this to southern states with the least gun laws and they also have the lowest crime.

Look at Switzerland, a country where they are strongly encouraged to own a gun also has the lowest crime rates in the world.

cynwulf:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...w-figures.html
https://gunnewsdaily.com/immigration...lent-crime-uk/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...and-Wales.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41822965
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_London
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37412508
http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control...her-countries/

http://world.time.com/2012/12/20/the...re-that-works/
https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...s-guns/553448/

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Old 02-26-2018, 02:49 PM   #13
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oh cynwulf, this argument is so tired. I respect that your government does not permit guns except for the aristocrats, some hunting and some of the police.
Anyone can apply for a firearms cert if they fit the necessary criteria. Being an "aristocrat" isn't a requirement.

The argument may be just as tired of "if all those kids had guns..." or the usual bollocks your pro gun lobby come up with.

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Can you not respect that we are a different country with different customs and different laws, yes we share some commonalities, yet we are also distinctly different.
Of course, but doesn't make you right.

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In fact, it is the nature of the European governments in particular England, that prompted the US Founding Fathers to enshrine the right to bear arms in our constitution. They famously stated that without the second amendment you cannot have the first amendment. Also, the US constitution does not grant rights, it was designed to "protect" rights, and to limit the authority of the government(s). This is a uniquely American idea(l).
Great, but kids are still dying in school shootings. Nothing is done because it's a multi-billion $ industry, but just keep banging on about your "right to bear arms"... I've yet to see the armed population overthrow the ruling elites - sorry ChuanTzu, but you're in much the same situation as we are...

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Now, back to cynwulf and others claims that banning guns reduces crime, please explain why London consistently leads the world in violent crime, especially stabbings, rape and violent assaults, routinely only Latin America has more and sometimes the UK has more then them. Look at Chicago (in the US) they have the strictest gun laws in the nation yet the most violent crime. Compare this to southern states with the least gun laws and they also have the lowest crime.
You've gone off on a tangent. I said nothing of reducing crime, only of reducing school shootings. Stick to the gun crime issue and you'll see that reducing gun ownership will reduce gun crime.

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Old 02-26-2018, 03:55 PM   #14
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...Look at Switzerland, a country where they are strongly encouraged to own a gun also has the lowest crime rates in the world...[/url]
So there's something about Swiss society that means they don't need legislation to keep guns out of the hands of nutjobs.
 
Old 02-26-2018, 04:26 PM   #15
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So there's something about Swiss society that means they don't need legislation to keep guns out of the hands of nutjobs.
Perhaps the following from this, is worth a read;

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Generally prohibited arms are:

Automatic firearms such as machine guns, etc.
Automatic knives when the blade more than 5 cm and total length of more than 12 cm
Butterfly knives when the blade more than 5 cm and total length of more than 12 cm
Throwing knives; regardless of the shape and size
Symmetrical daggers where blade length is less than 30 cm
Brass knuckles
Shock rods or stun guns
Throwing Stars
Buttstock-equipped slingshots German: Schleudern mit ArmstŁtze
Tasers
Hidden firearms that imitate an object of utility, such as shooting phones
I don't understand how or WHY someone would need an AK-47, etc, unless you ARE in the Army. There Weapons of war, not hunting, etc.

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