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Old 04-23-2020, 04:46 AM   #616
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On the other hand, the worldwide depression caused by covid-19 has already dropped the price of gulf crude to less than zero. In other words, producers are having to pay people to take it off their hands!

If we don't get a quick recovery (and there's no particular reason to think that we will), anthropogenic warming is going to take a nosedive. In the long run, that could save the planet. Unfortunately there are big lags, so there won't be any immediate effect on the antarctic glaciers.
 
Old 04-23-2020, 06:01 AM   #617
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Unfortunately there are big lags, so there won't be any immediate effect on the antarctic glaciers.
But there is an immediate effect in many other ways (*), and that in turn will - hopefully - get enough (**) people to realise one or two things about their lives and this planet and how it all belongs together.

(*) meaning an almost immediately noticeable effect on our environment: less noise, less pollution, more wild animals in the parks...
(**) 100 monkeys

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Old 04-23-2020, 11:30 AM   #618
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Were all going to die, lions, tigers, and bears oh my! Lol
 
Old 04-24-2020, 08:01 AM   #619
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Were all going to die, lions, tigers, and bears oh my! Lol
That is of course certainly true but also a short-sighted, irresponsible attitude IMHO. It matters little that we all must die. What matters is how we live and if we make choices that kill others, especially to satisfy some self-indulgent greed.

On a larger scale, being a Capitalist, I think it is extremely important to grasp when a paradigm has shifted and becomes not only unsustainable, but suicidal. Hopefully you know something of History and how many civilizations, even quite advanced civilizations, have disappeared from "business as usual".

If not, I have a pristine external US Robotics 56K modem with a reasonable price for you.

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Old 04-24-2020, 02:56 PM   #620
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I admit that was a foolish reply on my part (just thought it was funny atm). I have not invested heavy amounts of time sourcing the science on this issue. The main road block in this I feel are the people leading the charge (globalists, liberals, people notorious for chipping away at individual freedoms). This may be a case of something that's actually happening, and the people mentioned are just looking to take advantage of the situation. In that case I think the best bet would be to find another solution, rather than to get rid of million jobs in the oil/gas/fossil-fuel industry. Which doesn't seem to be that good of a solution anyways (it just seems to be delaying the inevitable)... How about blowing a bigger hole in the Marinana Trench, so that the water has more space to go into? We need more ideas like this.

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Old 04-24-2020, 08:30 PM   #621
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Blowing a hole in the Earth's crust may possibly be a good idea to prevent such abnormally rapid development of catastrophic results of Anthropogenic Climate Change but not without the risks all too common in the quick fix Crisis Management Model... you know... the one where we just put out the fires that are close enough and tall enough to burn our butts. Are you aware of the "Six P" adage?
 
Old 04-24-2020, 09:02 PM   #622
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I don't know if I am aware of the Six P adage...

Worst case the oceans drain into the inner core and cool it enough where the magnetic field collapses. Not a good thing.
 
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Blowing a hole in the Earth's crust may possibly be a good idea to prevent such abnormally rapid development of catastrophic results of Anthropogenic Climate Change but not without the risks all too common in the quick fix Crisis Management Model... you know... the one where we just put out the fires that are close enough and tall enough to burn our butts. Are you aware of the "Six P" adage?
Not quite sure what you mean.. Do you mean such an idea would be a last ditch effort with possible unforeseen side effects? Or yes it may stop man-made climate change, but not natural climate change? If the latter I don't think there's really anything you can do in that case. We are trying atm to colonize Mars...
 
Old 04-25-2020, 12:18 AM   #624
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Looks to me like when campaign slogans will have to change from

" It is the Economy, stupid "

to

" It is the Environment , stupid "

Worldwide.

Well. By the time that happens. Instead of hell freezing over. I figure great grandkids may all be learning to breathe methane gas in the air after those frozen chucks melt on the ocean floor.

WEIRD THING IS.

Money can be made from climate change.
https://slate.com/business/2019/09/c...efighting.html
 
Old 04-25-2020, 03:51 AM   #625
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I wonder if some recent posters forgot to add the /s sarcasm tag to their posts.
Always remember: most jokes of that sort do not work on the internet. Soemone will always take it seriously.
 
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I don't know if I am aware of the Six P adage...

Worst case the oceans drain into the inner core and cool it enough where the magnetic field collapses. Not a good thing.
It will probably help a lot to understand the tone of my post so here it is

Six Ps

Pre-Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance

that of course recognizes the poor performance associated with jumping to action where little is well understood, especially where fundamental forces are involved where often in such cases the "cure" is worse than the "disease". Risk Assessment should always be analyzed on a Cost/Benefit basis, IMHO.
 
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I wonder if some recent posters forgot to add the /s sarcasm tag to their posts.
Always remember: most jokes of that sort do not work on the internet. Soemone will always take it seriously.

Do you think I needed an additional winkie?
 
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Pre-Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance

I get it now...

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yes...
 
  


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