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No. It's a Hoax 11 22.92%
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Old 08-13-2019, 06:03 PM   #406
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A new book "Kochland" uncovers just how deeply David and Charles planned and executed early Anthropogenic Climate Change denial. It just might make anyone who isn't in the fossil fuel business angry af and it should.
 
Old 08-13-2019, 06:11 PM   #407
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Why We Should Care.

https://pmdvod.nationalgeographic.co...ws__535946.mp4
 
Old 08-13-2019, 08:00 PM   #408
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2°C: Beyond the limit: Extreme climate change has arrived in America

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...hange-america/
 
Old 08-14-2019, 04:57 AM   #409
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In July, we had our hottest day on record in the UK! However I must say I have been more uncomfortable before, for example during the summer of 1976. Probably that was because I had the sense to keep my blinds down all day so that the sun could not get into my living room.
 
Old 08-14-2019, 06:57 AM   #410
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As a kid I remember snow mounds too big to open our door, as a kid!

Sure changes happen, up, down, all around,,, but, capitalism and big industries are not going away; you want to know how much shrink wrap we waste and\or "recycle" in my freezer warehouse, where we ship almost 5 million cases of food quarterly‽

F no u don't!!!

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And government subsidies too, just like farmers poisoning you with *corns* new DNA!

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Old 08-14-2019, 07:31 AM   #412
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If Western science's goal was still objectivity and news was still about reporting facts, I'd put more stock into things said in NYT. But that is not the case. Today the goal of the Western scientific community is to acquire funding. Funding that must be provided by a government where everything it supports becomes a political activity. Basically, if you have a cause you can now shop for some research that supports that cause. After all scientists, being typically smart people, have long-since figured out where their bread gets buttered.

I don't trust the news, my assumption is that it's 10% facts and 90% opinion, most of the latter being political spin.
I don't trust what's posted on "social media", most of it is useless information.
I don't trust what people say, as most of them are trying to make money or get laid.

Could the climate be changing? Yes. I suspect that the climate has been changing continuously throughout history. (Did you really believe that the ancient Egyptians went to all the trouble to build those Pyramids in the middle of a desert?) Do we really understand all of the factors that go into why this may be happening? Probably not. Are there people will use the possibility to their political or financial advantage? Absolutely.

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If Western science's goal was still objectivity and news was still about reporting facts, I'd put more stock into things said in NYT. But that is not the case. Today the goal of the Western scientific community is to acquire funding. Funding that must be provided by a government where everything it supports becomes a political activity. Basically, if you have a cause you can now shop for some research that supports that cause. After all scientists, being typically smart people, have long-since figured out where their bread gets buttered.

I don't trust the news, my assumption is that it's 10% facts and 90% opinion, most of the latter being political spin.
I don't trust what's posted on "social media", most of it is useless information.
I don't trust what people say, as most of them are trying to make money or get laid.

Could the climate be changing? Yes. I suspect that the climate has been changing continuously throughout history. (Did you really believe that the ancient Egyptians went to all the trouble to build those Pyramids in the middle of a desert?) Do we really understand all of the factors that go into why this may be happening? Probably not. Are there people will use the possibility to their political or financial advantage? Absolutely.
Unfortunately this deep distrust so many people assume, is something that has been cultivated. You might enjoy reading up about Russian (and likely others as well) Hacking to spread FUD in an extremely broad swath. They are spending enormous sums of money, infecting social media, testing the results and tweaking the formats for the greatest effect and they've learned it is a total Win-Win situation. If they manage to influence elections well that's a decent win for them but even if they don't they still act as The Fifth Column since the effect of such covert spreading of distrust creates an atmosphere in which people have little or no clue as to what is real and believable and what is "fake news".

Specific to this thread nobody needs to trust any corporate news source or even climate scientists. You can trust your own eyes by viewing photos of glacier recession and videos of massive ice shelves the size of entire countries breaking off into the sea, not to mention the rivers of melting ice flowing out from underneath which is why they break off. This is new. Maybe you don't but large numbers of people have lived near glaciers for millennia and many kept records. This has never happened before.

You could possibly go a step further and consider that while scientists must seek funding, they are also not each and every one a ruthless whore. In fact it is quite common that when one is forced into a compromise situation, one compensates in an effort to "balance out". Many scientists, actually I will go so far as to say since they must also live in this world, MOST scientists are explorers first before anything else and are principled and credible as much or moreso than any other person or respectable profession.

Aside from that I personally know people who are simple photographers and data gatherers as well as mountain climbers, etc. that have no special axe to grind who have noticed, then photographed receding ice and written about it and over time groups of other like concerned folks started recording for posterity. One such effort is the film "Chasing Ice". You really should view it.

Aside from all that, it has been common knowledge for many generations long before anyone suspected anything Global let alone Global Anthropogenic Climate effects, that in the past and on other planets, atmospheric CO2 and particulate matter have potent effects on weather and climate over large areas. The Industrial Revolution began roughly around 1790, very slowly at first and then gathering velocity like an avalanche. By 1890 it can be seen that many billions of tons of CO2 and particulate matter were being dumped into our atmosphere every year!... and now, for well over 100 years!. Just imagine if instead of gasses or fine particles it was billions of tons of garbage being dumped on the land. Do you think that might have an adverse effect? Do you think that might alarm you? I think it should.

Scientists live lives not much different from yours. They have to commute to work, eat, drink, raise families, and breathe the air just like you and everyone else. They are not invested in Climate Change. Scientists are painfully aware that while electric cars for example are growing in popularity, it is going to be a very long time, if ever, that there will be the supportive infrastructure that exists for fossil fuel engined vehicles. It is just cheaper and easier to "status quo", not rock the boat and go right along "business as usual".

Please do consider these things to protect your family and your sanity. It is not all lies out there and Global Climate Change is alarmingly and provably real. If by some ignorance on our part it turns out to not be the huge thing it seems to be, isn't it better to proceed with caution than to do nothing? I haven't said anything in this post about the vast wealth and power of corporations invested in fossil fuels and a few individuals who own them spreading denial backed by billions of dollars, but that is also provably real and they know they are lying. You should, too.

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