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Old 08-10-2020, 07:52 PM   #1
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Question Three vaccine candidates currently in Phase 3


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccine

Moderna one, Pfizer one, and University of Oxford one

The Pfizer one and Oxford one are doing Phase 2 and Phase 3 simultaneously.

The Moderna one is the only kind currently in the process of Phase 3 only, ( meaning it did pass Phase 2 )

My questions

I understand the urgency, but is it really a good idea to do Phase 2 and Phase 3 at the same time?

Quite a few people in the medical industry have vowed not to take any vaccine for the first 10 years it becomes available to the public, because they do not want to be "experimental guinea pigs"

What is your perspective on that?
 
Old 08-11-2020, 06:16 AM   #2
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My perspective remains that vaccines should not be overrelied on, and that good "low tech" or "baseline" systems and procedures should be in place to make diseases for which we have no vaccines less devastating.

Aka, the stoppage of "Lol lets do whatever! It's fine! We're vaccinated!"

Casual global travel for 'attractions', overly centralized 'nexuses' of institutions like hospitals, schools, nursing homes, shopping malls/outlets 'just because we have long distance transportation so who needs many small outlets in 'walking distance'.

All of these things, and many more have been, and always will be the true catalysts of things like pandemics, not "covidiots without masks" who now have to deal with a global phenomenon that would have been much harder to spread by, let's say...a country bumpkin who lives in the sticks, barely sees anyone on the street, and the only people who go in and out a significant way are a few merchants/logistics, who wouldn't go all around the globe but back and forth a relatively short distance all things considered.

I have answers for things like "but having nice and big cities with factories and co is why we can maintain our living standards" but that in itself is a little topc on its own.

In any case, tl;dr and all that.
I don't mind a delay in vaccines cause I don't live in can of sardines.
 
Old 08-20-2020, 07:11 PM   #3
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https://www.foxnews.com/world/china-...ty-coronavirus and many others show a huge party in Wuhan.

Is it possible that some vaccine is actually being tested/used or is it simply result of testing/lockdowns???
 
Old 08-20-2020, 07:51 PM   #4
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My perspective remains that vaccines should not be over relied on, and that good "low tech" or "baseline" systems and procedures should be in place to make diseases for which we have no vaccines less devastating.
Considering we do not have a vaccine ready yet for COVID the good low tech procedures only as good when everyone works together and we fully understand how the disease works. For some diseases like measles herd immunity only works when 19 out of 20 people are immune. More than 140,000 people world wide died from measles in 2018 with the young being the most vulnerable. Because a vaccine has been around for 50 years but less parents are having the children immunized and therefore there are more unnecessary outbreaks. Those that don't rely on those that do. Now days I think we take for granted childhood diseases and many that were essentially eliminated are now back on the rise.
 
Old 08-21-2020, 12:28 AM   #5
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My perspective remains that vaccines should not be overrelied on, and that good "low tech" or "baseline" systems and procedures should be in place to make diseases for which we have no vaccines less devastating.

Aka, the stoppage of "Lol lets do whatever! It's fine! We're vaccinated!"
Captain Hindsight to the rescue!
Wrt Covid-19, that ship has sailed and I think we really need that vaccine now.
Generally I'd agree with you but it would require complete restructuring of the human races globalistic tendencies, urbanisation etc... it's a nice thought but hardly more than that.

And for people getting into a habitual boxing match stance now: read the quote carefully. Geist is not against vaccines as such.
 
Old 08-21-2020, 05:06 AM   #6
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I don't think you can compare covid-19 with measles. Measles affects practically everyone the same way, whereas many people don't seem to catch covid at all or only have it asymptomatically. If only some groups are susceptible, then it may well be that when most of those people have had it, the pandemic will die down. In other words, "herd immunity" might be accessible with a 17-20% immunity rate over the whole population rather than the 70% you need for measles. There is some evidence that covid infection waves die down when this level is reached. Certainly that seems to have happened in London.

But we definitely need a vaccine for those who are likely to die if they catch it: the old, the black and the fat. I would certainly accept vaccination if it was available.

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Old 08-21-2020, 07:45 AM   #7
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You can not compare the two but I was trying to make a point that vaccines are necessary and have to be relied upon for some diseases IMHO.
 
  


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