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Old 10-05-2017, 03:12 AM   #91
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^^Times millions, I think not,,, Earth the cancer of our solar system!

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Old 10-05-2017, 11:12 AM   #92
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I am moderately surprised at the number of provincial points of view expressed here. Anyone paying even moderate attention even just to this thread must realize that the USA (or for that matter any nation or any loosely gathered peoples numbering more than a few) is not a homogeneous whole. Even if one specifies "the government" that shifts around everywhere and is strongly affected by localized and global PERMS (Political, Economic, Religious, Military, and Social) shifts. Just as it is said that if Americans wish to see where we are likely headed, just look at California it seems that there are similar "first arrivals" in the global scene.

There was a time (during the 60s?) when the world at large scoffed, smirked and made faces at "racist America" but it has turned out that was just a bit premature and misguided "higher ground" as many nations are now finding themselves in similar circumstances we were in then. Not to hold ourselves up for scrutiny or example of an enlightened society since we are still struggling with divisions in that area but if you live in the UK I ask you to compare how many "Pakis" hold public office compared to the percentage of a multiplicity of people from cultures once downtrodden now holding office here? Things change.

Please just consider that if your nation, the one you call Home, was in a similar condition of PERMS development, your nation might very well be doing very similar things since there is nothing much new about getting and keeping a powerful position. Nothing exists in a pure vacuum. We are all influences on each other if to somewhat varying degrees. There is the "crux of the biscuit" actually. Nobody enjoys a heavily tilted playing field and considers it rigged when it feels so unfair. We are all born into an existence we had no hand in creating and we struggle even to be heard, let alone effective.
 
Old 10-05-2017, 02:48 PM   #93
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Anyone paying even moderate attention even just to this thread must realize that the USA (or for that matter any nation or any loosely gathered peoples numbering more than a few) is not a homogeneous whole.
i was just quoting back the president's speech; so it would seem that he foremost isn't aware of that himself. i also doubt if he's aware that the same goes for all countries in this world.

i am aware of it, but i admit to sometimes getting carried away into too-broad reaction. for that i am sorry, but to my defense, this is usually triggered by some admittedly American poster's inability to see beyond their country's borders (and complaining about rocket boy does not constitute a broader point of view) and trying to push their way of seeing things onto everyone in every country.

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Old 10-05-2017, 08:19 PM   #94
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Thank you, ondoho, for clarifying your position in a reasonable manner. I agree totally that Mr Trump is not much aware of similarities, having been brought up since birth with a very limited scope of Us and Them. He has always been both isolated and aggressive as well as seeing the less fortunate not only as different but "less than".

So let's get right down to the real nitty-gritty about the concept of Us and Them. If you and I were neighbors, and since we are, just apparently not geographically close ones, but actually living in the same little village and my Son and you were drowning in the local swimming hole and I could save only one, I would with considerable sadness and regret, save my Son. I can't be certain if that would be true if he seemed doomed and you had vastly better odds but probably not, because I would need for him to know I tried even if unlikely unless he communicated his understanding and approval.

So the closest Us is Family, then probably friends and associates, the ties growing ever thinner with more distance. There is however a larger bond, that of being human and then alive but non-threatening. I hurt when I hear of disasters befalling anyone, anywhere regardless of any extenuating circumstances other than threat... not religion, politics, economic status, skin color, etc etc. In fact like most people it hurts to see or hear about mistreatment or misadventures of so-called lower animals, again largely proportional to perceived threat.

It seems to me from reading History that with very few exceptions, the concept of US has become more inclusive with Time, and maltreatment of Them less acceptable unless a threat is 'clear and present". During the Middle Ages in many if not most countries, clergy and nobility were allowed a certain number of murders for example even if a peasant or "undesirable" simply failed to move out of your way and this without even inquiry. If you exceeded that number only then would there be any real concern that you didn't respect the property of others sufficiently and you could be fined. AFAIK there is no place in the world quite like that now. We do progress although exceedingly slowly, it seems. We as a species are only a few steps down from the trees.

Borders were created at first by Nature - mountains, deserts, rivers, oceans, etc - simply because travel was difficult and/or expensive. Technology began to make those issues moot. There are States in these United States with completely arbitrary borders, in effect straight lines drawn with imaginary brushes on the ground. Within cities all over the world there are also arbitrary and invisible borders separating areas by economics. Ghettos and walled-gated communities exist essentially everywhere.

The world as scripted in Star Trek The Next Generation is likely a very long way off and even there we saw condescension of Vulcans and dismissal from Klingons, etc. but there was a time when Earth as a moderately close-knit Family was entirely inconceivable. That Gene Roddenberry could even conceive of such a thing and fid so many people passionately in favor all over the world gives me some Hope. I only wish I'd live to see it but I'm afraid 1000 years is quite out of the question. I must instead watch the interplay of checks and balances work it's slow change all the while suffering a man in power (actually, men in power almost everywhere) that wouldn't be much out of place in Czarist Russia, the Roman Empire, or not so ancient British, Japanese, Chinese, Mongolian, etc. Empires.

BTW I doubt this is news to anyone here. I just wanted to articulate it so such a voice is known to exist, even in Rambo America
 
Old 10-05-2017, 09:01 PM   #95
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What a clutz.
Even in the wacky world of The Simpsons a Trump presidency was only possible in a bad dream. And that was almost 20 years ago.
Unfortunately we all have to put up with the result of Americas twisted voting system.
rigged election systems
All voteing machines are closed software the owner of the voteing machine company openly bragged about delivering the 2000 election for little shrub
they are so rotten at rigging elections that a town of 6,000 people can return 30,000 votes for what ever puppet the highest bidder paid for
and the obvious false results are allowed to stand

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