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Old 09-28-2017, 07:42 AM   #46
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If a Korean missile is aimed, say, at Hawaii, then the USA would no longer consider it to be a joke. And Hawaii is well within range. As is Hanoi, Beijing, even Moscow.
 
Old 09-28-2017, 08:13 AM   #47
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They should threaten one of his Golf centres/hotels. That would make him sit up and notice.
 
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"Cut-and-dry" is right and wrong if you can ignore everything learned*... things and animals(-thinking, if biologically scares you or you refuse* to do so) evolve but not all together; bada bing, bada boom!
 
Old 09-28-2017, 08:25 AM   #49
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They should threaten one of his Golf centres/hotels. That would make him sit up and notice.
No it wouldn't, he'd just build a tower instead!
 
Old 09-28-2017, 04:32 PM   #50
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"Okay, so he happens to be a multi-bezillionaire. Get over it ..."
 
Old 09-28-2017, 04:49 PM   #51
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If a Korean missile is aimed, say, at Hawaii, then the USA would no longer consider it to be a joke. And Hawaii is well within range. As is Hanoi, Beijing, even Moscow.
Can you cite where you get this information? AFAIK just offshore from Japan, certainly bad enough, is presently within NK's range but no further.... yet.

On another front, since there are at least rumours of people starving and documented false-front "stores" implying poor availability of basic services it does seem their GNP is strained to say the least and economic sanctions probably have a high chance of success compared to the ramifications of military force.... for either side. At this point I view NK as engaging in a form of sabre-rattling, "See! We are a dangerous force to be reckoned with", sort of analogous to snake rattles. Even that lowly reptile "understands" that it is better to chase adversaries away than engage in actual battle, even if it reveals ones location and threat.
 
Old 09-28-2017, 08:52 PM   #52
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People who don't think the leader of N. Korea is bad may not believe Hitler was bad. Really the same to me. A leader dedicated to murder. There may be some who argue that Europe and the US made Hitler and there might be some truth to that. The US did not make Kim jong UN. China has that distinction unfortunately.

Thinking that if you just leave the guy alone and he'll go away is pretty useless. He is making nuclear bombs and not for the good of mankind. China needs to step in and assert global peace.
 
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The problem in Venezuela is not that socialism has been poorly implemented, but that socialism has been faithfully implemented.
That line might make it to my quote jar. Will refrain from commenting on the rest
 
Old 09-29-2017, 07:12 AM   #54
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People who don't think the leader of N. Korea is bad may not believe Hitler was bad. Really the same to me. A leader dedicated to murder. There may be some who argue that Europe and the US made Hitler and there might be some truth to that. The US did not make Kim jong UN. China has that distinction unfortunately.

Thinking that if you just leave the guy alone and he'll go away is pretty useless. He is making nuclear bombs and not for the good of mankind. China needs to step in and assert global peace.
I agree with ya, the only problem is that, China uses North Korea as a buffer zone between South Korea and the US. If you ask me, the US should just drop some bombs on North Korea's nuke sites (and maybe Little Rocket Man's House with him in it as well).
 
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If "the USA simply took matters into its own hands," that might be what the rest of the world expects. But, "America has some prior experience with doing that in Korea."

No, this is a small group of truly-psychopathic men who are in control of a country, and who have effectively enslaved it. This is a World problem, and it has been so for a very long time. I want to see the World community finally deal with it, as they have been reluctant to do for over fifty years, and preferably to do so without giving these criminals the "world war" that they seem to crave.
 
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If "the USA simply took matters into its own hands," that might be what the rest of the world expects. But, "America has some prior experience with doing that in Korea."

No, this is a small group of truly-psychopathic men who are in control of a country, and who have effectively enslaved it. This is a World problem, and it has been so for a very long time. I want to see the World community finally deal with it, as they have been reluctant to do for over fifty years, and preferably to do so without giving these criminals the "world war" that they seem to crave.
Then nothing will change will it? As, "the rest of the world" clearly does not want to deal with it, and more to the point, prefers to sit back and wait for sanctions to "take effect".

Which brings us to the main point, sanctions do NOT work and if they did/were then why is "Rocket Man" so close to having a missile capable of carrying a nuclear warhead?

Well, he would not be, if they WERE working, would he??
 
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If a Korean missile is aimed, say, at Hawaii, then the USA would no longer consider it to be a joke.
so what's the point of antagonizing "rocket boy" via twitter?

but hey, just let it be clear where i stand:
  • really bad stuff is happening in north korea
  • the rest of the world does notice & react
but maybe .. let's rewrite this old song a little:

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In Europe and America, there's a growing feeling of hysteria
Kim Jong-un said we will bury you
I don't subscribe to this point of view
It would be such an ignorant thing to do
If the North Koreans love their children too

How can I save my little boy from Oppenheimer's deadly toy
There is no monopoly in common sense
On either side of the political fence
We share the same biology
Regardless of ideology
Believe me when I say to you
I hope the North Koreans love their children too

There is no historical precedent
To put the words in the mouth of the President
There's no such thing as a winnable war
It's a lie we don't believe anymore
Donald Trump says we will protect you
I don't subscribe to this point of view
Believe me when I say to you
I hope the Americans love their children too
 
Old 09-29-2017, 10:58 AM   #58
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Here's all peachy tho:
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bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there;
all hail stupidity and blindness!

If we don't poke a colostomy bag it won't stink.edALL

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Old 09-29-2017, 01:18 PM   #59
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For the record, when I said the US should bomb North Korea, I was *ONLY* talking about their nuke sites. That does not mean you have to go to war as such, like when the US ended one particular world war, by dropping a certain nuke on Japan.

Well guess what? It ended the war and Japan surrendered! Fact.
 
Old 09-29-2017, 01:41 PM   #60
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Oh, I think that economic sanctions and world awareness does work. If you know that the United Nations Security Council – including both your near-neighbor Russia and your next-door neighbor China – is unanimous in voting against you, some part of you also knows that if war actually breaks out you don't stand a chance.

The problem really goes all the way back to the days when the Korean War ended in a stalemate. The newly-created South Korea tried to move on; North Korea didn't. But then it found itself largely abandoned by the nation, China, that had started the war in the first place.

China must be first-responsible for dealing with the situation, and it was entirely correct to call them out for continuing to trade with this nation and to support their festering regime.

I have utterly no idea why American Presidents (and others) decided to give these people advanced weapons of any kind.

Even though it seems that the North Korean dictators wouldn't listen until they were confronted with "the language of the gun," War is all that North Korea has ever known, and the people of that country are trapped in hell. These people do not deserve to die in a War that they have been taught since birth was inevitable. It is not the only way out.
 
  


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