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Old 09-19-2017, 05:19 PM   #1
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The US President addresses the United Nations: What Do You Think?


Here is a link to a transcript of the President's address:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...neral-assembly

Having read it, what do you think?

--- "caveat, Ladies and Gentlemen, puh-leeuze" ... Keep it relevant. Keep it thought-provoking. Keep it as "Fox News™" Free as may be possible in polite company ... A great deal has been said here. Plenty of good topics for civilized discussion, I think.

I say again: "Having read it, what do you think?"
 
Old 09-19-2017, 07:36 PM   #2
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Great speech!
Long, long, long overdue!
 
Old 09-20-2017, 02:38 AM   #3
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caveat>: there\s no way to keep civilized any comment on anything that comes out of this bully\s mouth>

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Our military will soon be the strongest it has ever been. For more than 70 years, in times of war and peace, the leaders of nations, movements, and religions have stood before this assembly. Like them, I intend to address some of the very serious threats before us today but also the enormous potential waiting to be unleashed.
well f*ck me.
i'm beginning to see the appeal of terrorism when i read things like that.
if they do something against this sort of politics.
i would not consider them "rogue".
can't the united states see that they're breeding a large part of the problems the world suffers from today?

i didn't vote for this 1d10t, nor did the vast majority of the population of this planet.
so please, stop talking on my behalf.
i'd rather deal with what you consider rogue nations diplomatically, thank you very much.

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In America, we do not seek to impose our way of life on anyone, but rather to let it shine as an example for everyone to watch.
lol, that's a kind afterthought but fairly useless after dropping that first bomb.

and so on, yaddayadda...
 
Old 09-20-2017, 02:41 AM   #4
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Having read it, what do you think?

I say again: "Having read it, what do you think?"
I'm curious enough to ask: why do you want people to read it instead of listening to it or watching it?

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Old 09-20-2017, 08:25 AM   #5
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I'm curious enough to ask: why do you want people to read it instead of listening to it or watching it?
(Shrug ...) I always prefer to read transcripts.
 
Old 09-20-2017, 09:15 AM   #6
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What a clutz.
Even in the wacky world of The Simpsons a Trump presidency was only possible in a bad dream. And that was almost 20 years ago.
Unfortunately we all have to put up with the result of Americas twisted voting system.
 
Old 09-20-2017, 11:14 AM   #7
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Trump is not the problem. It matters little who is in the White House or which political party has the majority. The problem is the level of corruption is so high, the major multinational corporations have most of the politicians in their back pocket and they, the politicians, do what they, the corporations, want them to do with no regard for the true interests of the public.
Trump is just about the only man wealthy enough, and involved in politics, to not owe the corporations anything, as he doesn't need their bribes, aka, campaign contributions.
The old saying, "Follow the money," applies here and is why the "establishment" in D.C. is so anti-Trump as he wants to put a stop to the corruption, aka, drain the swamp.

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Old 09-20-2017, 01:08 PM   #8
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My biggest take-away from the speech is that Donald Trump is a man who speaks honestly about anything that concerns him. And this is a very big difference from the too-guarded rhetoric that characterizes "a professional politician," including most of the delegates to the UN. There isn't a lot of bullit in this man's character.

No one should deceive themselves into thinking that a group of psychopaths – armed with ballistic missiles and eager to shoot them at other nations – are going to stop doing that strictly because of "economic sanctions." As long as nations (amazingly, including the United States!) continue to sell them missiles and rocket fuel, they're going to continue to shoot them off, and eventually they're going to light a fire, because psychopathy has no regard for human life anywhere. Moscow, Beijing, Sydney, London, Paris, Berlin, Los Angeles – hey, as long as we don't run out of missiles, let's torch 'em all, so the world community will know that we Koreans are really bad-ass!

Why, only a complete psycho would think like that! Uh huh ... and that's precisely what you've got here.

So, I am quite certain that there is going to be a major offensive against North Korea a new Korean War, and I think that it will commence much sooner than later ... quite possibly in a matter of days. The question will be whether the world community participates, or simply expects the United States to do it all.

I hope you didn't throw away your draft cards, young gentlemen ...

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Old 09-20-2017, 01:26 PM   #9
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My biggest take-away from the speech is that Donald Trump is a man who speaks honestly about anything that concerns him. And this is a very big difference from the too-guarded rhetoric that characterizes "a professional politician," including most of the delegates to the UN. There isn't a lot of bullit in this man's character.
redneck politics. aka stammtischpolitik.
don't we know already where that leads...

and: lower the standards of schooling and social security even more, there will be nothing but redneck politics left in that country.
another way to get more voters i guess...

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Old 09-20-2017, 01:30 PM   #10
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Trump is not the problem. It matters little who is in the White House or which political party has the majority. The problem is the level of corruption is so high, the major multinational corporations have most of the politicians in their back pocket and they, the politicians, do what they, the corporations, want them to do with no regard for the true interests of the public.
Trump is just about the only man wealthy enough, and involved in politics, to not owe the corporations anything, as he doesn't need their bribes, aka, campaign contributions.
The old saying, "Follow the money," applies here and is why the "establishment" in D.C. is so anti-Trump as he wants to put a stop to the corruption, aka, drain the swamp.
I find this point of view, while possessing some smaller truths, in the larger sense quite naive. Firstly, while it is certainly true that corporations have gotten so much power they now no longer try to hide it but boast about it, or at least the Koch boys do, if you don't think who is president or what party has the majority makes any appreciable difference, then you aren't paying attention. If you actually look at the record of bills passed during, for example, Dubya's reign and Obama's (despite dealing with "the Congress of No!") there is still a distinct and important difference. It's seems like there is less than there used to be but a difference nonetheless. Incidentally, while the Koch Bros first opposed Trump or pretended to, they are buddy-buddy now.

Now to the naive heart of the matter - the nature of The Rich. If you actually think Trump is immune from the corporate world, that seems near hysterical blindness to me. People on that level have never "needed" money unless you consider "need to be as a junkie "needs" a fix. People on that level most often personify greed in that they can never be satisfied. They seem to actually believe in the comical cliche, "He who dies with the most toys, wins". Thats not actually the credo, but its close. They are insatiable because it isn't about what people in the Middle and Lower income levels consider "need". Their needs don't have to do with the ends - food, shelter, standard of living, etc. To them "need" means status and measure of power. It has to do with means as a measure of personal value. It is a competition that can never end.

That said, I'm holding off on the specific task of commenting on his UN speech because on first look it surprises me. It doesn't sound like Trump or at least the way he normally speaks. Not personally knowing the man and only having been exposed to his "public face" I don't yet know if Trump ever talks this formally and, well... grown up. I need to read it a few more times and research the speech writer(s) before I comment but make no mistake, who is in office still makes a difference, less than most of us would like, but a difference nonetheless and it can really add up over time or we wouldn't have seen the Supreme Court become so powerful by cumulative legislation, nor would corporations spend so much capital to gain voting rights as an individual. More to the point of this thread, Trump is most certainly NOT above The Game and he didn't seek political office because he cares about all of Humanity and wishes to level the playing field.
 
Old 09-20-2017, 01:58 PM   #11
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Now to the naive heart of the matter - the nature of The Rich. If you actually think Trump is immune from the corporate world, that seems near hysterical blindness to me. People on that level have never "needed" money unless you consider "need to be as a junkie "needs" a fix. (...) They are insatiable because it isn't about what people in the Middle and Lower income levels consider "need". Their needs don't have to do with the ends - food, shelter, standard of living, etc. To them "need" means status and measure of power. It has to do with means as a measure of personal value. It is a competition that can never end.

...

make no mistake, who is in office still makes a difference, less than most of us would like, but a difference nonetheless and it can really add up over time or we wouldn't have seen the Supreme Court become so powerful by cumulative legislation, nor would corporations spend so much capital to gain voting rights as an individual. More to the point of this thread, Trump is most certainly NOT above The Game and he didn't seek political office because he cares about all of Humanity and wishes to level the playing field.
thanks. i always felt queasy about this part, but could never find the right words. you did.
 
Old 09-20-2017, 04:54 PM   #12
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That said, I'm holding off on the specific task of commenting on his UN speech because on first look it surprises me. It doesn't sound like Trump or at least the way he normally speaks. Not personally knowing the man and only having been exposed to his "public face" I don't yet know if Trump ever talks this formally and, well... grown up. I need to read it a few more times and research the speech writer(s) before I comment but make no mistake, who is in office still makes a difference, less than most of us would like, but a difference nonetheless and it can really add up over time or we wouldn't have seen the Supreme Court become so powerful by cumulative legislation, nor would corporations spend so much capital to gain voting rights as an individual. More to the point of this thread, Trump is most certainly NOT above The Game and he didn't seek political office because he cares about all of Humanity and wishes to level the playing field.
However, my measure of the man is that he did seek the Office, not for his own aggrandizement nor as an episode in a reality-TV show. In that respect, I think that many people have underestimated him.

I quite honestly believe that history will one day describe him to be a "transformational" President, and I expect that future Presidents will be much more like him than different – but, in a good way. It seems to have always been the case that either "professional politicians" or "retired Generals" won the office as the culmination of a practiced lifetime of political juggling. The people instead seized upon a completely(!) un-conventional choice. But I think that they did it on purpose, and I think that they knew precisely what they (hoped that they) were doing. In any case, American history will not forget this man.
 
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However, my measure of the man is that he did seek the Office, not for his own aggrandizement nor as an episode in a reality-TV show. In that respect, I think that many people have underestimated him.
The huge gaping hole after you've stated what you don't think motivated him is what you think DID motivate him. I'd not mind hearing that at all.

Regarding the "underestimate" I think we have already seen that in responses here. I think some didn't bother to read and just salivate at the bell to blindly cough up the negatives that are by now like "paint by numbers". I doubt he is so easily described since it is highly unlikely that he is unaware of "the poker face" or "the public face". This should be obvious by his strong desire and efforts to manipulate news and perception of him. Hey! He wouldn't even have that hair if we wasn't a man who measured men by the quality of their shoes or any stark reality. He understands the value of 'presentation" and censorship. I say we have yet to see not only whether but how he has been estimated vs/ his performance.

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I quite honestly believe that history will one day describe him to be a "transformational" President, and I expect that future Presidents will be much more like him than different – but, in a good way. It seems to have always been the case that either "professional politicians" or "retired Generals" won the office as the culmination of a practiced lifetime of political juggling. The people instead seized upon a completely(!) un-conventional choice. But I think that they did it on purpose, and I think that they knew precisely what they (hoped that they) were doing. In any case, American history will not forget this man.
I'd agree to "influential" in that how and why he won will be studied in earnest by many, but "transformative"? I doubt it, but it does remain to be seen. Also "unconventional"? I really don't see that in the wake of George W. Bush who was one of the very few presidents that didn't and doesn't have a law degree but instead a degree in Business from Harvard and notably worked in the Oil Industry. This is a result, and I hope the death throes, of corporate and especially Big Oil domination of political power and despite what some here have already posted, he DOES owe a huge allegiance to corporate America and especially Big Oil 'cuz that's where the bux are. He just wants to give the same impression as Dubya that he might be fun to have a beer with and a large number of voters apparently value that.
 
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"redneck politics"

I suppose in the US one can only insult two groups anymore. Rednecks and Hispanic. Insulting any other race creed or color would not be PC.

Maybe we can get away from stereotypes in a more civilized world?
 
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enorbet, for the first time in a great many decades, American Presidential politics has just become very interesting to watch!

The thing is, what the American people did, this time, is completely without precedent in the entire history of the Republic. (I think that this statement is literally true.) The Officeholder has never come from this sort of background ... or, one might say, "utter lack thereof."

But I really do believe that the man is sincere. Maybe the man had utterly no idea what he was really getting himself into ... (but, who does??) ... but I think his intentions are true. Even(!) honorable.

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