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business_kid 03-17-2020 12:42 PM

The times We're Living In
 
All this 'Social Distancing' Stuff is really beginning to bite here in Ireland. It's this bad: There was a general social media reaction on Sunday morning that too many folks got too close Saturday night in a well-known night life strip so by afternoon, the Government ordered all the pubs and hotel bars (the favourite loophole) to close. It transpired they didn't have to bother, because by lunchtime the publican's lobby group had already closed their own doors, and many of the pubs had closed themselves. 40,000 workers are out of a job!

My thoughts were: The English had Ireland colonised for ~750 years, but they never dared to try that!:):).

Given this situation, I can see the possible need to hold the occasional web meeting, so it might be good to get the low-down how to do that. I am based in Europe, and reckon my own bandwidth/security isn't enough to transmit to everyone, so I'm prepared to buy bandwidth. Can I have a word from the wise on
  1. Where to source a service.
  2. Software to upload sound/video.
  3. I presume I get a url to distribute to users?
  4. When our meeting is over, do I need to terminate?
  5. Are they able to receive on phone/tablet?
  6. Are the participants able to interact?

Turbocapitalist 03-17-2020 12:47 PM

I haven't gotten too far with all that but jitsi-meet is a javascript thing which works in the browser and on smartphones. Mumble is also on the short list but is audio only.

rtmistler 03-17-2020 01:21 PM

Well, far from a Linux answer, but our company uses Teams, we used to use Skype.

Either case, it's sourced from there. There's also GotoMeeting, and Webex(?) there's some bunch of them available. Most of them have audio/video conferencing and if people desire a need to have a phone in number, either you host that yourself, or they can provide, ... for a fee.

Software to upload? Dropbox or other cloud services? If I understand the question properly?

Yes you get a URL.

"I'd" terminate when the meeting is done, but similar with most phones, the other party hangs up, the call/conference is disconnected.

They typically can use phone/tablet/desktop/notebook/etc. And as much of the capabilities as the device allows, you can use. Like if you have a camera you can use that, or not; if you have a desktop to share, you can do that, although that's more typical of a desktop/notebook versus tablet, but I've just never tried on a tablet/phone, nor would I want too.

Participants are able to interract both in audio and video, and also sharing desktops. While it's great to have video, if you know the other parties, have worked with, or met them, then video is sort of neither here not there if you're working on substantive content that shows better on a shared screen. But the conferencing apps I've used, split things up and show the primary monitor you wish to view, or allow you to also click and expand one person's camera view, if you really care. Otherwise it just shows the person's icon they selected, such as a personal photo of them that's good appearing, or some cartoon characters, or other scenes, all depending on personality, professionalism, etc.

business_kid 03-18-2020 04:57 AM

Thanks Guys

Apparently, the decision has been made. Someone had an account with Zoom. I don't like it at first glance, we did a trial last night and it works on an iphone, so I'll have to go with it. It was short notice for me, I had my mobile (not much use with only one hand & two of us), and a RasPi driving a TV. The RasPi wasn't catered for. I've set up a pc today.

My question #2 on uploading s/w was simply that whoever was uploading may need different software. If a conferencing package was needed, it would be good to know. Many apps do webcam/builtin Microphone, but if something went beyond it, I'd have liked to know.

I'm marking this solved, not because I've got to the bottom of what's best, but because someone else has undertaken the headacheand my headache is restricted to making Zoom work.

EDIT: I'm not marking this solved, because this is general, and I can't. But I've kinda lost interest now. Anyhow Zoom is impossible to set up on the Pi with Raspbian, unless you get source somewhere

jefro 03-18-2020 04:33 PM

Don't they offer a web client for browser?

business_kid 03-19-2020 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jefro
Don't they offer a web client for browser?

Yes. Zoom do an x86_64 firefox browser add-on and some package with an executable(x86_64). They do nothing for the RasPi, which of course is Arm. In their turn Debian don't even do a Firefox browser. They supply Chromium, I can get Palemoon, but Palemoon falls over anytime you ask much of the add-ons. The sound one is particularly awful. I like Palemoon, but I can't get sound from it on either the Raspi on the PC. It just rasps. Chromium isn't bad; It is functional. I mean to try mozilla.org for an arm browser. I would lose Palemoon, except Chromium refuses to load WhatsApp web, telling me to go off and get chrome:-/.

I'm really impressed with the Raspi, which I have purely to feed the tv that's been forced on me here like a white elephant. It has this AWFUL interface to the web. Netflix and youtube have their own terrible tv type apps. And Irish TV is sporadically great, but usually mediocre.

I mean to try some 'grunt power' test like a kernel compile or picture conversion on both the Arm and my puny PC, as I'd fancy the 4 core Arm cpu against my 2 core i3.

noordinaryspider 04-04-2020 02:16 PM

I am not happy about Zoom and have been able to avoid it so far (knock on wood) by suggesting lower-tech alternatives to windows/apple/smartphone users. Many of them just don't think about using IRC or email instead of taking everything from face-to-face straight to videoconferencing.

It might have been warmer and fuzzier to have a guitar lesson via jami or jitsi meet, but it was easier for my teacher to make a three short videos and answer my questions via text message for the same 45 minutes a face-to-face lesson would have taken. He is not technically interested enough to enjoy experimenting with different apps on his own time and I can't afford not to have a guitar lesson right now.

The guy needs the money very badly and isn't capable of absorbing unsolicited tech support this week. If your people are closer to you or farther along in adapting to the "new reality" of the pandemic, I think jitsi meet isn't asking very much of them, since it is a web interface just like the Zoom web interface that all Linux users are expected to use.

Unfortunately, these are the times we live in and the issue is not solved. There are a lot of problems with Zoom and a lot of pre-existing "public image" problems with Linux before the virus even became an issue in the US and Ireland.

I'm glad you found a fix that worked for now, business_kid, and no judgement or entitlement intended, but this was a good question that isn't going to have a one-size-fits-all answer and a thread that should probably get more attention over the next few days or weeks. I'll personally be listening more than talking anyway.

ReformedTechie 04-04-2020 11:23 PM

For anybody running into how to connect to the world problems:

If you have at least a quad core / 4 thread CPU with at least 4 gigabytes of RAM you can run just about any lightweight widespread / well supported distro, install virtualbox for free and install Windows 10 for free. If you assign 2 cores or threads and 2 gigabytes of RAM to the virtual machine windows will run just fine with a little bit of tweaking.

There's a whole ton of stuff included in 10 now that is future-proofing for virtual reality stuff coming down the pipe plus a lot of other services that you just don't need; especially for a limited use VM. About 10 minutes with Google and you can find a list of most the stuff that you can safely turn off and how to do it. When you know how to do it and what to look for just use a little common sense to figure out what else to turn off. Read the descriptions of the services. You obviously don't need something for 3D VR game emulation. Once you tighten up all of the unneeded services it actually runs really fast. Upgrading from one release to the next can be a pain in the neck sometimes. I suggested at a minimum you do a snapshot before you do a release upgrade. Personally I just keep a spare duplicate copy of the virtual hard drive on my real hard drive in case something goes KFB.

The new version of Windows 10 is completely up to date with drivers, security patches, antivirus and everything else. The only dif is you are locked out of some features on the free version like not being able to do any customization to the GUI interface and not being able to create an administrative profile separate from your user profile.

But who cares if all you're using it for is to fill the gaps in *nix compatibility.

I use mine for stuff like making my printer connection easier, anytime I have to work with a camera, anytime I have to do something with Skype, etc.

business_kid 04-06-2020 03:55 AM

Quote:

But who cares if all you're using it for is to fill the gaps in *nix compatibility.

I use mine for stuff like making my printer connection easier, anytime I have to work with a camera, anytime I have to do something with Skype, etc.
I don't consider myself that great at setting stuff up, but I'm doing networked scanning/printing in linux, what camera stuff I do is on linux, and I have relegated Skype to a tablet. I use it very little - it's a pain. WhatsApp is better, and encrypted. I do use wine and multilib slackware64 for the one 32bit M$ only app I need. If there's a free copy of windows 10 on the ether, I'd appreciate a link.

There is one precaution I take buying peripherals: Check linux compatibility. I stick to HP printers, for instance, because they use postscript and pay attention to linux support. I ask on ebay about linux support before buying, or research it. Some things are wilfully obstinate; the latest Realtek wifi chip (The rtl 8192 is in the kernel now, but wasn't recently enough). The savvy companies have guys on the LKML writing code for their components, which then becomes kernel code.

EDIT: I'm stuck on Zoom for 2 meetings a week. It's gone from 10 million users to 200 million in the last 2 weeks - success they could only dream of. They've suddenly dropped adding features to patch loopholes. People could guess Meeting IDs & jump in unwanted, so they're tightening up on server settings.Waiting rooms by default (your id & password only get you to a waiting room, & the host admits you.), refusing rejoining to any who leave/get kicked, etc. There's been a bit in the news about it. Some Jewish meeting was 'zoom-bombed' - guys got in and injected porn and anti-zionist stuff - very upsetting.

hazel 04-06-2020 05:50 AM

There's a separate zoom thread that I started here.

ReformedTechie 04-06-2020 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by business_kid (Post 6108335)
... If there's a free copy of windows 10 on the ether, I'd appreciate a link...

All copies of 10 are "free" now. The model they use now is that you get the occasional (and not horribly persistent) popup asking you to upgrade to the paid premium version and an onscreen watermark in the background if you don't. You're also locked into the default configuration of the appearance (menus, themes, background, etc). And you're locked out of advanced features like being able to enact group policies b/c you are locked out of creating an admin profile separate from your user profile. But you do have a superuser profile. So you can install software, etc.

It is perfectly usable for basic daily stuff like running a windows based browser plugin to log into a meeting. I've even seen product demos from windows vendors being done with copies that are not "activated".

business_kid 04-06-2020 12:13 PM

I have an iso from way back with none of that, but it's half a day of updates:-/

Six of one and half a dozen of another I suppose.

ReformedTechie 04-06-2020 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by business_kid (Post 6108443)
I have an iso from way back with none of that, but it's half a day of updates:-/

Six of one and half a dozen of another I suppose.

DL a more recent ISO so you don't have to run so many updates. IIRC you get like 30 days before you have to activate and get the watermark and all that junk. But you still can't do things like a separate admin profile or change themes until you activate.

business_kid 04-07-2020 06:02 AM

Thanks, but I think I'll suffer the delay if they haven't slowed this old one down to nothing. That's the way my old VM was, and I could just restore that. Even Vista was better. I don't really need windows at all actually. It's months between uses. But if a barn door is found open in it security wise (happens regularly enough in windows, it gets patched.

EDIT: There used to be cracked versions of everything available. Surely there's someone who has patched that?

ReformedTechie 04-09-2020 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by business_kid (Post 6108685)
Thanks, but I think I'll suffer the delay if they haven't slowed this old one down to nothing. That's the way my old VM was, and I could just restore that. Even Vista was better. I don't really need windows at all actually. It's months between uses. But if a barn door is found open in it security wise (happens regularly enough in windows, it gets patched.

EDIT: There used to be cracked versions of everything available. Surely there's someone who has patched that?

I never use cracks. Only God knows what has been slipstreamed into them.

It's a faint watermark in the wallpaper.

As far as the rest goes: That's all a Home user could do with 7 or 8. To go beyond superuser you've had to have a Pro license since 7. But with 7 and 8 they stopped getting any updates after 90 days if you didn't pay. Now updates are free until EOL. If you want to unlock customized skins it costs you for a Home license. And a Pro license if you want granular admin functions. Why bother? It does the job of filling the last few gaps just fine as is.


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