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Robert.Thompson 05-19-2012 11:08 AM

The time has come for the non-Mafia Italians to take their country back...
 
They cannot rely on law enforcement to do it, so, they are going to have to do it on their own - whatever it takes.

smoker 05-20-2012 12:31 PM

Whether you are of Italian extraction or not, this was a pretty offensive and ignorant comment.
Maybe the rule of law should be applied correctly, instead of resorting to lawlessness ?

XavierP 05-20-2012 05:27 PM

It would also be good to the put the post in context - is this a response to a news article you have seen, an opinion you hold or a set of statistics you have seen?

Robert.Thompson 05-20-2012 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by smoker (Post 4683303)
Whether you are of Italian extraction or not, this was a pretty offensive and ignorant comment.
Maybe the rule of law should be applied correctly, instead of resorting to lawlessness ?

Let's see... Killing kids is much less offensive.

When the 'rule of law' is obviously ineffective, what choice is left?

Italy will never be 'all that it can be' until they rid themselves of the Mafia, period.

The Russians revolted; then Americans revolted - now, the Italians must revolt.

There is no other way...

frankbell 05-20-2012 08:59 PM

I must say, having been married to an American of second-generation Italian descent who can remember being called ethnic slurs as she walked to first grade, I find this post offensive and inflammatory.

The thought may be noble. It may even be accurate.

Its expression is less than felicitous.

I cannot speak for Canada, but here is the US, we have enough problems enforcing the rule of our own law to point fingers at others.

Edit: Though some of my more craven fellow countrymen have made quite lucrative careers and caused much gratuitous chaos by pointing fingers . . . .

Robert.Thompson 05-21-2012 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frankbell (Post 4683573)
I must say, having been married to an American of second-generation Italian descent who can remember being called ethnic slurs as she walked to first grade, I find this post offensive and inflammatory.

The thought may be noble. It may even be accurate.

Its expression is less than felicitous.

I cannot speak for Canada, but here is the US, we have enough problems enforcing the rule of our own law to point fingers at others.

Edit: Though some of my more craven fellow countrymen have made quite lucrative careers and caused much gratuitous chaos by pointing fingers . . . .

The last thing that I wanted was to offend anyone.

My wife is Italian. My two longest and best friends are Italian. My circle of friends and relatives contains over 20 Italians - the malignant cancer known as the Mafia, in Italy, is a frequent a topic of discussion and despair.


http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/italy801/

Skaperen 05-21-2012 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert.Thompson (Post 4683984)
My wife is Italian. My two longest and best friends are Italian. My circle of friends and relatives contains over 20 Italians - the malignant cancer known as the Mafia, in Italy, is a frequent a topic of discussion and despair

If the people can't VTBO, then is there hope?

Robert.Thompson 05-21-2012 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Skaperen (Post 4684002)
If the people can't VTBO, then is there hope?

I think that there is already too much 'voting' in Italy; 'impeachment' is the way to go - put their asses directly into jail!

cascade9 05-24-2012 06:48 AM

I'd guess you mean 'mafia' as in 'organised crime'. The mafia (technically) is Sicilian only.

Mussolini almost got rid of the mafia. The freeing of many imprisoned organised criminal group members post WWII was a _bad_move_ IMO. Also post WWII, the former allies (principally the US) was so concerned about communism, particularly in Italy, that they would give power to anyone who called themselves an 'anticommunist'. 'Operation Gladio' gave many mafia (and neo-fascist) people and groups state protection.

Things just got worse over the years, and the connections between the Vatican, the Italian goverment and organised crime are long standing, strong and very hard to break.

Good luck to getting rid of ogranised crime in Italy. It would be easier if Italy and europe in general had freer drug laws...you dont need to skim much from the huge drug profits to bribe the right people to get left alone.

Extortion will continue as long as the organised crime has money and power, and organised crime will always have money and power with drug laws the way they are now.


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