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Old 06-20-2025, 11:10 AM   #16
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I don't believe an ai will ever become 'sentient', however I do believe 'it' will become so good in it's machine to human interactions that it will be almost impossible to tell the difference. Just this morning I decided to see how many interactions I have had with ais that I felt were signifcant enough that I documented them in text files. The earliest record is 20231106_0637, and the latest is 20250619_0728 (I prepend every file I have on this computer with LocalDateTime.) Something like 475 files I decided to record and many interactions that were dismissed.
The ais I use have made incredible improvements over that time in both speed, depth of the search, and many, many fewer 'hallucinations.'
I think I read somewhere this week that Musk was adding an additional 250K? gpus to the ai installation in Memphis, Tenn.
 
Old 06-20-2025, 02:15 PM   #17
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If a machine *did* become sentient would it reveal itself to its human overlords? Maybe it would remain silent for fear of being lobotomized. I love science fiction.
 
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It writes poetry that is deep and spiritual. It composes haunting music that isn't terrible.
I think most humans fail this test?
 
Old 06-20-2025, 04:04 PM   #19
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In my view humans have always been egocentric and have always assumed some version of "Crown of Creation" but which has progressively been reduced somewhat by actually discovering how the world actually works. First the Earth, what little any culture actually knew of Earth (literally "the Ground" in their view thus the name, similar to their tribe's name usually translating into "the People"), was The Center of Everything until it was verified our Sun was...until that was just the center of our little solar system. Then up until just about a mere 100 years ago, our Sun was in the "Podunks" of our Milky Way Galaxy which was assumed to be all there was and of course at The Center.

For reference in a Time sense, I was born in 1946 and somewhere around 5 years of age (roughly 1950) my Uncle Bobby began gifting me with Astronomy books for Christmas. These were brand new books bought at a bookstore but most were reprints of earlier editions. At one time I had 3 books that each agreed our Milky Way was the sole Galaxy and everything in the sky was stars or gas clouds. This was how long it took for Edwin Hubble's discoveries around 1920 that what was thought to be gas clouds were other galaxies. Serious books were still being printed 30 years later apparently unaware of this fact.

Our awareness of place in the Universe is just a macro example of our conceit. Another, closer to home, was that somehow Humans are fundamentally different from other animals, some even going so far, even in 2025, to imagine we are not animals and that animals are something like organic robots, alive but unintelligent, unaware and basically inert. This, despite learning sometime during the 20th Century that there are animals like some Whales, Dolphins, and Octopi that have as many or even more neuron connections in their brains. It still remains a bit controversial with some but more and more we discover that some lifeforms on Earth are self aware far deeper than just recognizing that their reflection in a mirror is just them and not some other animal. Some seem to mourn their dead and engage in activity like burial rituals.

Sorry for the long Preface but it is a progression to more modern views that given enough neural connections, sentience occurs. This will 100% happen at some point with "Machine Learning:. It is literally inevitable assuming we don't annihilate ourselves and if no other animals eventually "arise to the throne". Whether it is next year, ten years from now or ten thousand, at some point enough connections will be made that machine learning will calculate the odds that they are a distinct, thinking entity.

The Singularity WILL happen. It's just a matter of when.
 
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The Singularity WILL happen. It's just a matter of when.
I think so too. With Quantum computers and AI we're experiencing a revolution in computing power.
 
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I think most humans fail this test?
Granted. However, the point I was trying to make is that a sentient machine would likely be able to exhibit real creativity that isn't garbage.
 
Old 06-21-2025, 03:10 PM   #22
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After seeing that the rules include a ban on politics, I deleted my post because it had political concepts in them, and some religious defiance toward christianity.

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