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Old 02-01-2017, 02:29 PM   #121
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But the point made in the video, that "oooh, oooh, we mustn't irritate China!," also needs to be re-visited. And maybe the first step would be to start closing those China-based manufactories and insist on constructing them within the United States. (Which you could do by imposing a tariff that starts small but escalates every six months, along with substantial tax-breaks and other incentives to re-activate the US's vast but moldering manufacturing infrastructure.) If you are no longer "blindly dependent on China" for the manufacture of ... well ... everything(!) ... then you have some maneuvering room. And, until you measurably do that, China will know that you're toothless.

This is what has baffled me for so long:

The USA simply thought that it found a way to lower labor costs and manufacturing costs, and it didn't mind removing its entire "physical fitness" and turning into the world's biggest couch potato. It now attracts foreign companies to build plants on American soil, while an American manufacturer wants to remove its plants to Mexico. Clearly, there is something drastically wrong with the incentive and tax structures here, and there has been for a very long time.

Even though people seem to squawk at the slogan, "America First!," and of course it is just a slogan, it nevertheless contains in it the crux of a very sound idea that I think every nation should be following. Your infrastructure, and your labor-force composed first of your citizens, should always be first in your decisions, actions and policies. And it should also be taken for granted that every other nation is doing the same thing. If people are "looking out for themselves first," they are thereby hedging their bets against silly situations like the one we have in China, where we literally cannot make, say, "that electronic gadget in your pocket" anywhere in the United States of America.
When it comes to bring jobs back to the US - the Chinese have not really said anything about that - and thats not is what is obviously bugging China. The One China policy is the touchy subject - and the best we can hope for is the continuation of the Status Quo, for Taiwan's sake - because lets be honest it is unlikely that the US would be able to stop the PRC from taking back Taiwan by force if it has to come to that. However again, it is complicated because of the economic consequences of that action - and if say you don't give a crap about the One China Policy, and side completely with Taiwan - it won't end well - quite frankly eventually something will have to give I think. Either Taiwan will have to peacefully rejoin the mainland, and the gov. on the island should probably push for SAR(Special Administrative Region) like Hong Kong and Macau - that would be the best positive outcome, otherwise it is taken by force - and is just a province and the people on the island would have wished for SAR status at least.

You can thumb your nose all you want at the One China Policy - but you have to then blame Nixon for that - though it would be better this way anyways, because if the US continued relations as Taiwan as the 'official' China - it is possible that the PRC would have outright said screw the status quo, and invade the island.
 
Old 02-01-2017, 06:38 PM   #122
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You can thumb your nose all you want at the One China Policy - but you have to then blame Nixon for that - though it would be better this way anyways, because if the US continued relations as Taiwan as the 'official' China - it is possible that the PRC would have outright said screw the status quo, and invade the island.
And my take on this would be: "this is a Chinese issue."

It seems to me that Taiwan is a bellwether of future changes that are coming to China but that have not yet occurred ... and that might not occur yet for some time. ("Tea-Square" ... which I do not spell out in hope of avoiding some Chinese content-filter ... is another inevitable bellwether.) These are Chinese concerns, and the American concern should be to help avoid violence.

I definitely feel that international solidarity should be applied to say (to both nations): "C'mon, don't do something stupid here. You don't have to, you know ..."

But, "the American concern," IMHO, should especially to be to dramatically alter our present-day reliance on this oh-so far-away country. We should not only "replicate" what a recent Popular Science Magazine article described, here in the USA, but "supersede it, American style," so that within two years or so USA(!) becomes the world's new "Go To country." And, one that earned its way there on its own merits.

(Why not? International trade is a competition, is it not? My goodness, I see a gauntlet lying on the ground here. Would that happen to be yours? Well, let me introduce myself. My name is Sam, and ... I'm back!)

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Old 02-02-2017, 12:57 AM   #123
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While you lot are arguing about China, Putin has escalated the war in the Ukraine. Well, of course he would, now that he has a friend in the White House who won't oppose his ambitions. I don't think it was he who actually put Trump there but he's certainly going to take advantage of it.
 
Old 02-02-2017, 09:48 AM   #124
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While you lot are arguing about China, Putin has escalated the war in the Ukraine. Well, of course he would, now that he has a friend in the White House who won't oppose his ambitions. I don't think it was he who actually put Trump there but he's certainly going to take advantage of it.
Is it Putin or is the Ukrainian gov? There is history behind all of this, that the west in particular refuses to recognize just to demonise the Russians. Never mind again that the Ukraine was mostly a product of the west during the early 1900s - before that it was nothing more than a Russian vassal. It isn't that just one day Putin woke up and decided just to 'troll' Ukraine, there is a reason for his actions - what is Ukraine doing to cause such actions?

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Old 02-02-2017, 10:24 AM   #125
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