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Old 01-12-2017, 12:05 PM   #61
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Since the report came out (I am not writing intelligence report because I am not sure intelligence was involved in the creation) I have been perusing RT television.

I want to take this opportunity to thank the U.S. intelligence agencies (Yes N.S.A. I know you're reading this) for informing me about the existence of RT. Still questioning how a network that the majority of people in the U.S. probably did not know existed influenced voting.

Now we have Senator McCain passing a document to the F.B.I. that allegedly shows connections between Trump and Putin. Supposedly someone besides McCain prepared that document though I have my doubts. I have not trusted McCain since he ran for office based on the lie that he refused early release from a P.O.W. camp. Really? He had the opportunity to avoid torture and eat quality food yet he chose to decline the opportunity because he is such a patriot?

Trump was right, McCain is only a hero because he was shot down. Now before people criticize that statement two facts you might want to consider:

1: I enlisted in the U.S. Marine Corps

2: I have gotten drunk with the son of a recipient of the Congressional Medal of Honor. Though at that time the Medal of Honor award was still pending for the gentleman's service in the Korean War. The family just received it last year.
 
Old 01-12-2017, 12:15 PM   #62
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Well at this point if gov agencies such as NSA, and groups like the DNC have such lax or poor security, then quite frankly they deserve it - And as for Snowden him like Assange I applaud for trying to wake people up to the truth.
We may never know just how many people within these various "alphabet agencies" were responsible for collecting and vetting (yes, vetting ...) the information that Snowden "leaked," but I would certainly like to see all of these people face criminal indictment and conviction.

As we all know, being in the business that we are in, "information is the 'crown jewels,'" and we are its keepers. I desperately do not want to believe that Mr. Snowden could ever have had the vast amount of access that he would have had to have, to obtain the timely documents that he did. Obviously, investigation and conviction of these people cannot be made public, but, as a member of that public, I want it to occur.

In my opinion, those documents clearly show that many government employees or contractors, each having very high security clearances, utterly violated those clearances and conspired to do so.

If sensitive documents held or prepared by the Secretary of State made it to a public e-mail system, "do I believe that Mme. Clinton did it, let alone intended to do it or to see it done?" Frankly, no. The SOSUS does not have time for such trifles: (s)he has staff to handle such things while she focuses her attention where it properly belongs: matters of State. These staff have very high security clearances also, and they damn well know what it is that they are handling. Therefore, "I want to know that someone now knows 'who did it,'" and that these people will be duly punished (and, most severely) for their compromise of the public trust.

No, I don't want to know who they are. I don't want the trials to be public. A military tribunal with a jury composed of officers having similar clearances would be an appropriate venue. Use of the civilian court system would compromise security.

I will presume to hold Mme. Secretary "assumed blameless." She did, after all, hold the office of Secretary of State. I believe that she simply took for granted that her staff was doing its job, and that the electronic systems she was using for various purposes were somehow secure. I feel that she had every right and reason to take this for granted. I think she had a right to presume that her staff was doing their jobs to the best of their ability, so that she could in turn do hers.

I want her never to provide details of e-mails or other secure matters which are the purview of the SOSUS and not the general public or the press. Nor details of how such things are handled. We have no "need to know.™"

Anyone in our business who, say, "ran off with a disk full of live credit-card numbers," or who forwarded confidential business-negotiation e-mails to a competitor, would face (criminal) punishment. And we wouldn't automatically be pointing our fingers to the Executive, saying that "s/he did it." We'd be looking for the lackey(s), who were charged with providing security so that "the Executive could presume that security was in place even though s/he might not know how it works; nor be expected to know." Business Executives, and Secretaries of State, have far more important things to think about.

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Old 01-12-2017, 12:19 PM   #63
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Originally Posted by johnmeehan View Post
Since the report came out (I am not writing intelligence report because I am not sure intelligence was involved in the creation) I have been perusing RT television.

I want to take this opportunity to thank the U.S. intelligence agencies (Yes N.S.A. I know you're reading this) for informing me about the existence of RT. Still questioning how a network that the majority of people in the U.S. probably did not know existed influenced voting.

Now we have Senator McCain passing a document to the F.B.I. that allegedly shows connections between Trump and Putin. Supposedly someone besides McCain prepared that document though I have my doubts. I have not trusted McCain since he ran for office based on the lie that he refused early release from a P.O.W. camp. Really? He had the opportunity to avoid torture and eat quality food yet he chose to decline the opportunity because he is such a patriot?

Trump was right, McCain is only a hero because he was shot down. Now before people criticize that statement two facts you might want to consider:

1: I enlisted in the U.S. Marine Corps

2: I have gotten drunk with the son of a recipient of the Congressional Medal of Honor. Though at that time the Medal of Honor award was still pending for the gentleman's service in the Korean War. The family just received it last year.
I happen to stumble across RT through sheer dumb luck on Youtube (since I haven't heard of them before (I wonder why) and I am glad), but I am sure everyone in the US heard of RT from the gov. sponsored news media now, and are probably doing what they don't want them to, by checking RT out, instead of just taking their word that it is a 'fake news' outlet. Although I am sure the 'fake news' campaign will continue, and considering that Youtube probably will bow to corporate pressures, you will start seeing more (there already is a campaign of censorship) on Youtube via unwarrented copyright strikes and content 'deemed too offensive' by those in cohoots with the mainstream (the political correctness and correct the records out there).

Again to reiterate all 'sources' have an agenda, but because western 'news' is so skewed to one side only, at this point thank (insert_your-deity_here) that RT is there for some counter-balance (yes it has come to this - well for a long time its been like this), but yes the fight is not over and I am trying to hold on to any alternative news source before it is somehow blocked due to some bullshit reason or when the US gov. outright just says 'fsck it' and starts silencing THEIR critics just like the PRC and other less democratic nations.

Godspeed RT.

-edit

More from Jimmy Dore:

[screencast]Uy5AezXWYao[/screencast]

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Old 01-12-2017, 12:47 PM   #64
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We may never know just how many people within these various "alphabet agencies" were responsible for collecting and vetting (yes, vetting ...) the information that Snowden "leaked," but I would certainly like to see all of these people face criminal indictment and conviction.

As we all know, being in the business that we are in, "information is the 'crown jewels,'" and we are its keepers. I desperately do not want to believe that Mr. Snowden could ever have had the vast amount of access that he would have had to have, to obtain the timely documents that he did. Obviously, investigation and conviction of these people cannot be made public, but, as a member of that public, I want it to occur.

In my opinion, those documents clearly show that many government employees or contractors, each having very high security clearances, utterly violated those clearances and conspired to do so.

If sensitive documents held or prepared by the Secretary of State made it to a public e-mail system, "do I believe that Mme. Clinton did it, let alone intended to do it or to see it done?" Frankly, no. The SOSUS does not have time for such trifles: (s)he has staff to handle such things while she focuses her attention where it properly belongs: matters of State. These staff have very high security clearances also, and they damn well know what it is that they are handling. Therefore, "I want to know that someone now knows 'who did it,'" and that these people will be duly punished (and, most severely) for their compromise of the public trust.

No, I don't want to know who they are. I don't want the trials to be public. A military tribunal with a jury composed of officers having similar clearances would be an appropriate venue. Use of the civilian court system would compromise security.

I will presume to hold Mme. Secretary "assumed blameless." She did, after all, hold the office of Secretary of State. I believe that she simply took for granted that her staff was doing its job, and that the electronic systems she was using for various purposes were somehow secure. I feel that she had every right and reason to take this for granted. I think she had a right to presume that her staff was doing their jobs to the best of their ability, so that she could in turn do hers.

I want her never to provide details of e-mails or other secure matters which are the purview of the SOSUS and not the general public or the press. Nor details of how such things are handled. We have no "need to know.™"

Anyone in our business who, say, "ran off with a disk full of live credit-card numbers," or who forwarded confidential business-negotiation e-mails to a competitor, would face (criminal) punishment. And we wouldn't automatically be pointing our fingers to the Executive, saying that "s/he did it." We'd be looking for the lackey(s), who were charged with providing security so that "the Executive could presume that security was in place even though s/he might not know how it works; nor be expected to know." Business Executives, and Secretaries of State, have far more important things to think about.
I cannot equate someone like Bradley/Chelsea Manning and Snowden to a criminal who engages in corporate espionage, because those are two different things. Without the actions of Manning we probably wouldn't have known about certain incidents in Iraq, we would just have conjecture and the gov here would be easily able to 'counter' any foreign news agency who would say it was an illegal act by some soldiers in a helicopter.

This is a simplistic argument, but at this point the ends justify the means since our government acts in the same way - after all the ends justified the means in Iraq and in other places - besides, the gov expect the populace to obey and 'be honest' while bankers and those in the gov. do the exact opposite - do as I say, not as a do - we were just told what they wanted us to believe and all of the sudden the world was exposed to the truth and well now the US gov. is in full damage/panic mode for years now. Why do you see a lot of 'news' media trying to cover more and more on celebrities and things not relevant to world events, unless it puts them in the positive all the time.

The DPRK should be taking cues from us....

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Old 01-12-2017, 02:11 PM   #65
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Journalism 101 - Verify

Jimmy Dore is on a roll today!
 
Old 01-12-2017, 05:23 PM   #66
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I know I keep spamming these videos but....

US gov. going to protect us from Fake News - phew well now I feel better......
Well, at this point I am open to more news sources that are not mainstream.

-edit

To hedge my bets, I have been also visiting vid.me - just in case.

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Old 01-12-2017, 06:17 PM   #67
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Yet more today from Mr. Dore - Journalist DEBUNKS CIA Anti-Trump BS - I can't believe it took me so long to find out about him - thanks for that MSM....
 
Old 01-13-2017, 11:49 AM   #68
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Old 01-13-2017, 05:59 PM   #69
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It seems, sadly, like the only truthful news that is available today is located on the internet!!
 
Old 01-13-2017, 11:25 PM   #70
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It seems, sadly, like the only truthful news that is available today is located on the internet!!
Until the US gov finds a way of censoring that. It looks like 1 brave soul from CBS of all places Ben Swann, still has integrity, but who knows for how long until he is silenced though because I see a big red target on his head...


[screencast]9qSrprBYdxA[/screencast]
 
Old 01-14-2017, 01:02 PM   #71
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Old 01-15-2017, 12:25 AM   #72
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Old 01-15-2017, 10:48 AM   #73
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Old 01-15-2017, 02:36 PM   #74
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