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Old 01-06-2017, 10:13 PM   #31
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Ad hominem - The Russians are responsible.


So it seems that everyone is doubling down - It is still the Russians, but sorry I cannot get it through my thick skull, or I have this bad habit of thinking for myself, plus again Shillery was a shitty candidate, AND with all the help of CNN's Donna Brazile and brib- *cough* doners, she still lost to a buffoon. Obama has days left, and also trying all he can to just throw road blocks against Trump. At this point, I rather hope as an act of defiance from Trump, on his first day to call back the Russian diplomats expelled by Obama. I would go as far as to go further and invite the ambassador to his inauguration along with Netanyahu. The ambassadors had 72 days, so they could have stayed long enough, then it would have been a moot point, too bad they left.
 
Old 01-07-2017, 09:43 AM   #32
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Former UK Ambassador states Russia did not hack elections, - but its RT so it must be false, it WAS Russia!!!!! Somehow? This is fake news......

Lets see...

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A WikiLeaks figure is claiming that he received leaked Clinton campaign emails from a “disgusted” Democratic whistleblower, while the White House continued to blame Russian hackers Wednesday for meddling in the presidential election and asserted that Donald Trump was “obviously aware” of Moscow’s efforts on his behalf.

Craig Murray, a former British ambassador to Uzbekistan and a close associate of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, said in the report by the Daily Mail that he flew to Washington for a clandestine handoff with one of the email sources in September.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...linton-campai/

Ruh-roh - Washington Times not a fake news source..... It was Russia still....Somehow..

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Former NSA agent and whistleblower Bill Binney says no evidence of hacking
- but again, he is on RT and not on FOX or CNN or MSNBC or ABC - so I guess we still have to stick to the narrative.......................

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Old 01-07-2017, 10:24 AM   #33
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Its RT though, so must be false I guess......

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Old 01-07-2017, 11:24 AM   #34
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Three intelligence agencies, not seventeen, took part in the report. Two of the three had a high level of confidence in the findings, the third a moderate level of confidence.

The definition of high level of confidence included in the report states that the findings could be wrong.

In other words they admit that although 2/3 of the agencies have a high level of confidence by their own definition of high level of confidence the entire report could be wrong.

In the report as regards RT it is stated the major markets for RT are in Washington, DC and New York city. If RT influenced people to vote for Trump then why did Trump lose in RT's largest markets?
 
Old 01-07-2017, 11:30 AM   #35
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The New Red Scare

Because Putin
 
Old 01-07-2017, 11:49 AM   #36
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If a person wanted to go full blown conspiracy theory check out this scenario:

U.S. intelligence agencies wanted to divert attention from the release of their so-called smoking gun report. How would they do this?

What about if they could influence the mind of a U.S. Army veteran and compel him to perpetrate a mass casualty event on the very day the report was to be released?

Absurd? No possible way this could happen?

There exists such a veteran who went to the F.B.I. and claimed that U.S. intelligence agencies had got into his mind and were forcing him to consume ISIS propaganda.

The person clearly wanted help, his mistake was seeking that help from one of the agencies that took part in authoring the report.

This same person then, under the influence of his intelligence agency handlers, takes a flight from Alaska to Florida arriving on the same day the report is to be released. Upon arriving in Florida he retrieves a firearm from his luggage. A firearm he was able to possess even though he had spent time in a psychiatric ward. He takes that firearm and starts shooting people in the baggage claim area.

This shooting diverts the media attention from the release of the intelligence report and the fact that the report did not provide any proof of Russian involvement in the outcome of the election.

I provided this "theory" on another forum but was faulted by one of the members of that forum for not including lesbian double agents. Aside from that oversight it could be plausible.
 
Old 01-07-2017, 12:08 PM   #37
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The New Red Scare

It is not absurd since we have been in a rather lengthy campaign uh I mean military excursions from false and incorrect sources so this is nothing new. US media is trying to hammer in it was the Russians nevermind that they tried hard to get Clinton to win by any means. Since she was seen as the establishment she lost and now the excuses and accusations and Russia fits the narrative.
 
Old 01-07-2017, 03:19 PM   #38
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Its RT though, so must be false I guess......
It's sponsored news by a govt. agency. The Putin sponsered USSR govt. in fact. There. Fixed it for you. There is no "I guess" about it.

One can tell who bled and suffered for the USA in this thread and who did not.

I for one can tell when bull pucky is being snake oiled sold on a platform not of my choosing.

I am not saying CNN, FOX, MSN, and all the other corporate news agencies are pure as snow and don't have agendas. Heck. Even Link TV Democracy now has a agenda of sorts. I just know how to judge things myself for myself. Because me and mine have bled and sacrificed for this country.

Most reports are read off of rueters news feeds. Then the front office decides what gets reported and aired. I thought all grown ups knew this stuff. I guess not.
 
Old 01-07-2017, 03:57 PM   #39
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Its RT though, so must be false I guess......
It's sponsored news by a govt. agency. The Putin sponsered USSR govt. in fact. There. Fixed it for you. There is no "I guess" about it.

One can tell who bled and suffered for the USA in this thread and who did not.

I for one can tell when bull pucky is being snake oiled sold on a platform not of my choosing.

I am not saying CNN, FOX, MSN, and all the other corporate news agencies are pure as snow and don't have agendas. Heck. Even Link TV Democracy now has a agenda of sorts. I just know how to judge things myself for myself. Because me and mine have bled and sacrificed for this country.

Most reports are read off of rueters news feeds. Then the front office decides what gets reported and aired. I thought all grown ups knew this stuff. I guess not.
Yes all have agendas, but I still dont buy the Russia argumwnt, left leaning shows (Jimmy Dore) comes to mind that do not follow the Russian meme. Russia is just the easy target

AFAIK all news orgs have an agenda but I atleast I am more open minded to at least consider other views, I just happen to agree with some things also
It also funny mentioning the "USSR" though, but sorry I guess the Russians were right, some in the US are still in a Cold War mindset.

What irks me is the 'do as I say, not as I do and never criticise me' mindset of the west, Russia just stepped in Syria legally where the US has been funding so-called moderates to oust Assad because "democracy" when we know what it was really all about.

I only bring that up again because it is another meme used. Since I came from Eastern Europe too so what the US has been pulling for the past years we can spot and since those corporate bought lackies failed miserably with Clinton, it is Bernie supporters or Comey or the damned Russians fault, not theirs.

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Old 01-07-2017, 06:47 PM   #40
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Which makes more sense:

1. Accuse and berate Russia every chance we get because of the cold war and the actions of the U.S.S.R.?

2. Make an effort to try and normalize U.S./Russia relations?

Ever read Mein Kampf? One of Hitler's main objectives was to create a common enemy (in that case the Jewish people) in order to sway public opinion. Be careful about following those who want you to think in terms of us versus them. Look deeper than the superficial arguments. There may be other reasons besides alleged Russian hacking that accounts for Hillary's loss, just like Germany having to pay reparations for WWI was responsible for the economic situation in Germany not the Jewish people.
 
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Regarding those who have brought up Russian involvement with Assad in Syria:

Iran is also involved in helping Assad in Syria. Who made a deal with Iran that provided Iran with billions of dollars that they are now funneling to Assad and Syria? How many bombs have those billions of dollars the U.S. gave Iran bought for Assad?
 
Old 01-07-2017, 11:32 PM   #43
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Which makes more sense:

1. Accuse and berate Russia every chance we get because of the cold war and the actions of the U.S.S.R.?

2. Make an effort to try and normalize U.S./Russia relations?

Ever read Mein Kampf? One of Hitler's main objectives was to create a common enemy (in that case the Jewish people) in order to sway public opinion. Be careful about following those who want you to think in terms of us versus them. Look deeper than the superficial arguments. There may be other reasons besides alleged Russian hacking that accounts for Hillary's loss, just like Germany having to pay reparations for WWI was responsible for the economic situation in Germany not the Jewish people.
If you are in the government part of the military industrial complex, obviously #1 - never mind that straining relations with another potential superpower is reckless and Putin has already drawn lines, i.e. Syria, i.e. NATO expansion, meddling in Ukraine by the west.

Oh and about Mein Kampf, I hear it has quite the resurgence particularly in Germany, and with elections in France and the debacle of the refugee issue from Merkel.... Just sayin...

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Regarding those who have brought up Russian involvement with Assad in Syria:

Iran is also involved in helping Assad in Syria. Who made a deal with Iran that provided Iran with billions of dollars that they are now funneling to Assad and Syria? How many bombs have those billions of dollars the U.S. gave Iran bought for Assad?
Of course Iran would be involved because it makes sense, it is about oil and competing Islamic factions - i.e. Turkey, Qatar, Saudi Arabia wants the pipeline through to Turkey passing through Syria with conditions, Assad said no - plus Syria and Iran are majority Shia whereas Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar are majority Sunni. The US is backing the Saudis, Qataris and Turks, while Russia is backing Iran and Syria. Again, the US would have like nothing more to also get their hands onto Syria, just like Iraq, and most of North Africa under the guise of democracy - and it does not matter how much blood it is spilled. Russia has been spilling blood too, but sorry the US has had ahead start of at least a decade, and as much as the US and it's controlled media refuse to acknowledge - the Russians are technically in Syria LEGALLY, whereas the US is backing so-called 'moderate' rebels, who turned out not to be so 'moderate' after all, whoops. Why do you think that the FSA ('Free Syrian Army') - is practically DONE - and Putin has already set conditions on who would be allowed at the negotiating table? Definitely not Al-Nusra Front, or any other 'moderate' rebels funded by the US.

The days of the US toppling leaders hopefully are being closed, or at least severely curtailed at this point because well I only have to reference Afghanistan, Iraq, - and then Hillary's meddling and how she just laughed with glee when Qaddafi was killed, never mind the shitstorm afterwards, and the power vacuum, and I am pretty sure the average Libyan is lamenting the loss - at least some sense of stability now they have fsck all.

You know, at this point I am more than comfortable with the Russians practically handling the mideast, because these past years of US 'helping' has only been a bad joke all in the name of oi-*cough* I uh, mean democracy.....

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Old 01-07-2017, 11:44 PM   #44
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If the U.S. becomes energy independent it would practically eliminate any "need" for us to mess around in the Middle-East. What business, aside from backing our ally Israel, would we have there if we did not need the oil?
 
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If the U.S. becomes energy independent it would practically eliminate any "need" for us to mess around in the Middle-East. What business, aside from backing our ally Israel, would we have there if we did not need the oil?
Our own puppets that do what we say. Remember Saddam was our bastard, then he had the idea of wanting to trade his oil with Euros, and the US had to do something about that - 9/11 came (just stating, not going into whether or not it was known, or planned or whatever) - that was their chance - intelligence agency told Bush no WMDs found, but not a problem, and here we are years later.

Even if there was no oil, it is still monetary - Gaddafi was interested in a different currency possibly to compete with the dollar and look what happened Conspiratorial sounding I know, but then again look at the real reasons the US has been meddling, so I wouldn't put it past certain groups in the US gov, intelligence agency and armed forces to have a different agenda in mind.
 
  


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