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Old 07-10-2018, 12:10 PM   #1
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The media knew a 'scary' amount.


The "media" knew a scary amount about Hillary Clinton, but they have tried their best to cover for their candidate Hillary, just like they covered for their candidate Barack, and have disgraced themselves with their Trump derangement syndrome. Trump steps in enough manure all by himself, why the need to lie about him almost continually? They are turning people off to them and "their" party by the way that they are acting.

We've heard the drumbeat, almost hourly for 2 years now, of what a bad, racist, bigot, nazi, misogynist, liar, populist, hater, white supremacist, Russia colluder, that Trump is, which accounts for at least part of the rage against him. What has the "media" reported about twice rejected Hillary Clinton during this time?

Lest we should forget just who Hillary Clinton was/is, and how/why we got here with Donald Trump as President of the US in the first place. How about a few facts to look over that a "dereliction of duty" media refused to cover.

1) Clintons turn IRS into 'gestapo'
Few federal agencies are more feared and loathed by Americans than the Internal Revenue Service, especially when corrupt presidents abuse the power of the IRS to harass and exact revenge on political enemies. As reported, during Bill Clinton's terms in office, IRS audits were conducted against individuals and groups who caused problems for the administration. Several prominent conservative groups found themselves facing IRS audits following their criticism of the president and his policies. Among the conservative groups targeted for audits were the Heritage Foundation, the National Rifle Association, Concerned Women of America, Citizens Against Government Waste, National Review, American Spectator (which was burglarized three times), the National Center for Public Policy Research, the American Policy Center, American Cause, Citizens for Honest Government, Progress and Freedom Foundation, David Horowitz's Center for the Study of Popular Culture and the Western Journalism Center. Individuals singled out for audits during the administration included Clinton paramours Gennifer Flowers and Liz Ward Gracen, sexual assault accusers Paula Jones and Juanita Broaddrick, fired White House Travel Office Director Billy Dale and attorney Kent Masterson Brown. Fox News' Bill O'Reilly, an outspoken critic of both Bill and Hillary Clinton, said he was audited three times during the Clinton presidency.A 1996 survey by the Washington Times could not identify a single liberal public policy organization that had been audited during the entire Clinton administration.

2) Covering Bill's dirty deeds
The Clintons have been accused of hiring private investigators to not only dig up dirt on perceived adversaries, such as Juanita Broaddrick, the woman allegedly raped by Bill, and other abused women such as Gennifer Flowers, Kathleen Willey and Paula Jones, but to stalk, scare and threaten them. Willey asserts Hillary was behind a campaign of intimidation and harassment against her that fit a pattern employed against numerous other women whose claims of sexual impropriety or assault by Bill Clinton threatened the couple's political fortunes. As reported, Willey and her husband, Ed, were Democratic activists who founded Virginians for Clinton and helped send Bill and Hillary to the White House in 1992. While serving as a volunteer in the White House and facing financial hard times, Willey says she met with Bill Clinton in the Oval Office to request a paying position. But instead of getting help, she says, she was subjected to "nothing short of serious sexual harassment." Distraught, Willey fled Clinton's presence, only to discover that her husband Ed had committed suicide that same tragic afternoon. Later, she was drawn "unwillingly" into the Paula Jones lawsuit, the Ken Starr investigation and impeachment proceedings. Willey, author of the 2007 book, "Target: Caught in the Crosshairs of Bill and Hillary Clinton," has claimed the Clinton tag team used mob-style intimidation campaign to keep her silent, even purportedly breaking into her home to steal her memoirs of the events.

Despite Bill's 20 years of alleged and admitted extra-marital relationships, Hillary famously came to his defense shortly after the Monica Lewinsky affair broke in 1998. Asked about the accusations, the then-first lady said, "Certainly, I believe they're false. Absolutely."

Then, in a memorable interview with the "Today" show's Matt Lauer, she explained years of accusations by women such as Willey, Gennifer Flowers and Dolly Kyle Browning: "Bill and I have been accused of everything, including murder, by some of the very same people who are behind these allegations," she said, pointing to a "vast right-wing conspiracy. … So from my perspective this is part of a continuing political campaign against my husband."

3) Looting the White House
When the Clintons left 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in 2001, they reportedly vandalized and looted the White House. Hillary tried to ship furniture to the Clintons' personal home in Chappaqua, New York. The Clintons came under fire when they reportedly tried to take $190,000 in gifts and furnishings from the presidential mansion. Additionally, the General Accounting Office, an investigative arm of Congress, reported that "damage, theft, vandalism and pranks did occur in the White House complex" during the presidential transition from Bill Clinton to George W. Bush, including the theft of a presidential seal. According to the General Accounting Office, the cost of the White House vandalism reached about $14,000 and included $4,850 to replace computer keyboards with damaged or missing "W" keys. The agency said some of the destruction was intentional, including glue smeared on desks, broken furniture, offices full of trash and graffiti in a men's restroom stall that disparaged Bush. There were also missing doorknobs, medallions and office signs.

During their time in the White House, the Clintons also reportedly auctioned off and sold taxpayer financed government goods and services in exchange for political campaign contributions and personal profit. Among the items sold by the Clintons, which Judicial Watch uncovered in various lawsuits, and the media and Congress in their investigations, were: 1) seats on overseas trade missions; 2) export licenses for high technology sales to communist China and elsewhere; 3) commissionerships and judgeships; 4) rides on Air Force One; 5) overnight stays in the White House's Lincoln Bedroom; 6) graves at Arlington Cemetery; 7) meetings with key Clinton-Gore administration leaders; and other favors.

4) Filegate: FBI files on GOP enemies
The Clinton duo was involved in a scandal known as "Filegate" in which they illegally obtaining FBI files on perceived adversaries, most of whom served in previous Republican administrations. "In an effort to discredit the women who charged President Clinton with sexual misconduct, personal files and papers were illegally obtained and released. The courts found, under the Privacy Act, that the privacy of Linda Tripp and Kathleen Willey had been violated," a Judicial Watch report said, citing just a few of more than 900 relevant files. Judicial Watch said Hillary had been linked "directly to the center" of the controversy. The scandal was first detected by the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee, which investigated the Clintons' Travelgate caper. The committee found that the FBI files had been improperly accessed by Craig Livingstone, a former bar bouncer Hillary had hired to work in the White House Counsel's Office. However, Hillary called the whole affair a "completely honest bureaucratic snafu."

5) Hillary's 'Muslim Brotherhood princess'
Huma Abedin, who served as Hillary's longtime deputy chief of staff and has worked with her for nearly 20 years, has known ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, a group bent on "destroying Western civilization from within", and other Islamic supremacists. As extensively reported, the Muslim Brotherhood and Islamic supremacist connections not only extend to Abedin's mother and father, who are both deeply tied to al-Qaida fronts, but to Abedin herself. As reported, a manifesto commissioned by the ruling Saudi Arabian monarchy places the work of an institute that employed Abedin at the forefront of a grand plan to mobilize U.S. Muslim minorities to transform America into a Saudi-style Islamic state, according to Arabic-language researcher Walid Shoebat. Abedin was an assistant editor for a dozen years for the Journal of Muslim Minority Affairs. The institute, founded by her late father and currently directed by her mother, is backed by the Muslim World League, an Islamic organization in the Saudi holy city of Mecca that was founded by Muslim Brotherhood leaders. The 2002 Saudi manifesto shows that "Muslim Minority Affairs", the mobilizing of Muslim communities in the U.S. to spread Islam instead of assimilating into the population, is a key strategy in an ongoing effort to establish Islamic rule in America and a global Shariah, or Islamic law, "in our modern times."

Abedin also was a member of the executive board of the Muslim Student Association, which was identified as a Muslim Brotherhood front group in a 1991 document introduced into evidence during the terror financing trial of the Texas based Holy Land Foundation. At her father's Saudi financed Islamic think tank, Abedin worked alongside Abdullah Omar Naseef, who is accused of financing al-Qaida fronts. Naseef is deeply connected to the Abedin family. Huma's mother, Saleha Abedin, was the official representative of Naseef's terror stained Muslim World League in the 1990s. Shoebat previously reported that as one of 63 leaders of the Muslim Sisterhood, the de facto female version of the Muslim Brotherhood, Saleha Abedin served alongside Nagla Ali Mahmoud, the wife of Muslim Brotherhood figure Mohammed Morsi, Egypt's now ousted president. Saleha Abedin and Morsi's wife both were members of the Sisterhood's Guidance Bureau, Shoebat found.
Abedin used emails hosted on Hillary's private server while she was secretary of state.

6) Vince Foster's 1993 death
Vince Foster was deputy White House counsel and Hillary's friend and law partner who had connections to the Travelgate and Whitewater scandals. In 1993, Foster was found dead in a park with a fatal gunshot wound to his mouth. His suicide was the subject of much speculation and three official investigations. Investigations by the U.S. Park Police, the Department of Justice, the FBI, Congress, Independent Counsel Robert B. Fiske and Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr concluded Foster's death was a suicide. However, as reported in 2003, one of Starr's key investigators challenged the official line, insisting the probe's result was predetermined, only a few plotters were required to engineer the result, the crime scene was altered and that major newspaper editors killed stories by reporters pursuing the truth. The Washington Post reported that federal investigators were not allowed to enter Foster's office after his death, but "White House aides entered Foster's office shortly after his death, giving rise to speculation that files were removed from his office." In his 2005 book "The Truth about Hillary: What She Knew, When She Knew It, And How Far She'll Go to Become President," Edward Klein wrote of Hillary's involvement in the effort to remove Foster's files:

The night of Foster's death, Hillary launched one of the most shameful, and illegal, cover ups of her entire career. She sent two of her most trusted White House loyalists, Maggie Williams, the First Lady's chief of staff, and Patsy Thomasson, who was in charge of White House administration, into Foster's office to retrieve embarrassing and incriminating documents related to Whitewater and Hillary's other personal affairs. While White House Counsel Bernard Nussbaum barred investigators from entering Foster's office, Maggie Williams, Patsy Thomasson, and Craig Livingston, Hillary's director of White House security, removed armloads of files and loose-leaf binders. "In addition, a White House staffer allegedly tampered with the titles of several memos and removed the First Lady's initials in an effort to erase her role in improper behavior."

7) Emailgate: 'She should go to prison for this'
In March 2015, WND reported Hillary kept all her official correspondence as secretary of state, as well as her personal emails, on a private email server located at her home, instead of using the government mandated process while serving in the high appointed position. Her email system was unsecured for months while she used it for government business, and she did not sign a standard agreement when she left office that promised she had left government property behind. The Hill reported Hillary did not encrypt her private email service with a digital certificate for the first three months of her tenure as secretary of state." That was while she was traveling to China, Egypt, Israel, Japan and South Korea. Several present and former members of the U.S. intelligence community said Hillary's private email server was a major security risk, and America, going forward, ought to assume enemies of the state all had access to it. "The name Clinton right on the email handle meant this was not a difficult find," said John Schindler, a former National Security Agency counterintelligence officer, Investors Business Daily reported.

In April, J. Michael Waller, a longtime consultant to government entities ranging from the secretary of defense to the U.S. Senate to the U.S. Marine Corps Warfighting Laboratory, told reporters the Russians hack into the U.S. government, and so does any foreign intelligence worth its salt, most likely through Hillary's private server. Waller said Hillary deserves prison time for insisting on an email system that clearly left the nation vulnerable to attack. "This is the national-security equivalent of drunken driving," he said. "She should go to prison for this. When you drink and drive, you know in advance that you're putting other people in danger. Yet, you think because you're so smart or so clever or just don't care, that nothing's going to happen and then something does, so it's your fault. This is precisely what she did on the national security sphere." Hillary gave 55,000 emails from her private email account to the State Department in December. On March 10, Clinton announced she had deleted 30,000 emails she considered personal. She was warned by Congress way back in 2012 against using a private email account for government business, and her response? Silence.

8) Chinagate: Sale of high tech secrets
Chinagate, documented by Judicial Watch, was uncovered by Judicial Watch founder Larry Klayman. Technology companies allegedly made donations of millions of dollars to various Democratic Party entities, including President Bill Clinton's 1996 re election campaign, in return for permission to sell high tech secrets to China. Bernard Schwartz and his Loral Space & Communication Ltd. later allegedly "helped China to identify the cause of a rocket failure, thereby advancing China's missile program and threatening U.S. national security," according to records.

In a 2013 column titled "Proof Hillary isn't fit to be president," Klayman wrote: Not to be outdone by her prior scandals, Hillary … masterminded a scheme whereby the Clinton Gore presidential campaign of 1996 took bribes from communist Chinese banks and their government to bankroll the president's and the Democratic Party's re-election efforts when it appeared, due to their low standing in the polls, that all the stops needed to be pulled out. It was the lawsuit that I brought against Secretary of Commerce Ron Brown, where at Hillary's instruction, he literally sold seats on Department trade missions to China and elsewhere, which principally uncovered this. In late 1996 and early 1997, the scandal had burgeoned to such a level that joint congressional hearings were empaneled, ultimately to be shut down when Democrats uncovered illegal fundraising by some Republicans. The two parties, faced with mutual assured destruction, simply took an exit stage left. However, I soldiered on with my lawsuit. And, while I uncovered a lot about Bonnie and Clyde and their Chinese friends, this scandal ultimately took back seat to the Monica Lewinsky scandal, since the media preferred sex to foreign espionage and graft. Hillary and Bill were ironically saved by Monica, who became the lightening rod drawing attention away to what at the time was perhaps the biggest scandal, Chinagate, in American history.

10) Whitewater: Jail for friends, but not Clintons

The Whitewater investigation by independent counsel Kenneth Starr began in 1994 with accusations of impropriety against the Clintons and others concerning improper campaign contributions, political and financial favors, and tax benefits. Its initial subject was a failed Arkansas real estate venture involving the Clintons in the 1980s that was linked to the collapse of Madison Guaranty Savings and Loan, a Little Rock savings bank run by the Clintons' Whitewater business partners. Clinton friends James and Susan McDougal went to jail for fraud (James died while serving his sentence), as did former Arkansas Gov. Jim Tucker and municipal judges David Hale and Eugene Fitzhugh. The probe eventually expanded to include the death of deputy White House counsel Vincent Foster, the dismissal of White House travel office employees, receipt by the White House of a number of FBI files and the issue of whether President Clinton lied or obstructed justice to hide an affair with White House intern Monica Lewinsky.

11) 'Landing under sniper fire' in Bosnia

In her March 17, 2008, foreign policy speech on Iraq, then Sen. Hillary Clinton recalled a trip she made to Tuzla, Bosnia, in 1996. "I remember landing under sniper fire," Hillary said of her visit while she was first lady. "There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base." But news footage of her visit revealed her "sniper fire" claim wasn't just exaggerated. It was completely false. And Hillary had repeated the claim several times, including during her time on the presidential campaign trail in 2007. Rather, Hillary landed on a tarmac and greeted a crowd, including an 8 year-old child who gave her a poem, under no duress. According to the Washington Post, a review of more than 100 news articles revealed no security threats to Hillary at the time.

After the 2008 speech, Hillary was asked about her statements, and she stood by them: "There was no greeting ceremony, and we basically were told to run to our cars. Now that is what happened." But, a week later, Hillary told the Philadelphia Daily News that she "misspoke." Hillary claimed she had been told there was a threat of sniper fire in the area. The following day, she declared: "So I made a mistake. That happens. It shows I'm human, which for some people is a revelation."

12) Hillary's 'missing' law firm billing records

In 1994, federal investigators subpoenaed Hillary's billing records from her days as a partner in the Rose Law firm during the Watergate scandal. The White House said it didn't have the 115 pages of files. While Hillary claimed she had a minor role in the affair, the Washington Examiner reported that "when the records mysteriously turned up in the White House in 1996, they showed she met repeatedly with key figures in the scandal."

13) Pardongate: Hillary Senate contributions
Before Bill Clinton left the White House in 2001, he granted numerous controversial pardons, including to convicted tax evader Marc Rich, whose wife made significant contributions to Hillary's 2000 Senate campaign and the Clinton presidential library. The Associated Press reported that Rich had been "indicted by a U.S. federal grand jury on more than 50 counts of fraud, racketeering, trading with Iran during the U.S. Embassy hostage crisis and evading more than $48 million in income taxes, crimes that could have earned him more than 300 years in prison." Rich fled to Switzerland in 1983 after his indictment and remained on the FBI's Most Wanted List until President Clinton pardoned him.
Also, Hillary's brothers, Tony and Hugh Rodham, reportedly received large amounts of money from people who were pardoned by Bill Clinton. Hillary said she and Bill were unaware of the scheme.
Accuracy in Media reported, "Hugh Rodham, Hillary's brother, was taking money and promising access to help get pardons. Two such high profile cases were those of drug kingpin Carlos Vignali and convicted swindler Glenn Braswell. Rodham received hundreds of thousands of dollars from each, and they were both granted pardons. Rodham was quoted as telling a top White House aide that the pardon for Vignali was 'very important' to Hillary."

14) Hillary's cash cows and 9,987 percent profit

In March 1994, it was revealed Hillary, with no previous experience, had made massive profits from cattle futures trading between 1978 and 1979, when Bill Clinton's salary as Arkansas attorney general had been modest. She reportedly made $99,537 in profit on a $1,000 investment (a 9,987 percent profit) in just nine months because of a highly placed connection at Tyson Foods, which was the largest employer in Arkansas and a big Clinton donor. The New York Times reported: "During Mr. Clinton's tenure as Governor, Tyson benefited from several state decisions, including favorable environmental rulings, $9 million in state loans, and the placement of company executives on important state boards. … The commodities trades were the most successful investment the Clintons ever made. The nearly $100,000 profit enabled them to buy a house, invest in securities and real estate and provide a nest egg for their daughter, Chelsea."


15) Clinton body count: 'You find dead people'

"The Clinton body count," first published and later circulated by Linda Tripp to Monica Lewinsky, is a collection of names of people associated with Clinton administration scandals who have died mysterious and often violent deaths. Reporter David Bresnahan broke the story of the list during the summer of 1997 while researching his book, "Cover Up: The Art and Science of Political Deception." "I started looking into all the various deaths of people that were involved in various Clinton scandals," Bresnahan said. "I started to investigate the entire picture instead of just one focused event. "Nobody out there was putting it all together," he said. "If you look at one scandal, you'll find one dead guy. When you investigate all Clinton scandals, you find similarities, you find common tactics, you find common actions and you find dead people." The list was not just a source of terror among sworn enemies of the administration. It was an even greater terror for those close to Clinton, for those closest, it appeared, died younger and more inexplicably than those on the outside looking in. In his research, Bresnahan came up with more than one list. "Not only did I find a list of dead people, but I also found that there are over 100 people who have refused to testify," he said at the time. "There is also a list of people who have gone to jail. There are 45 people who have gone to jail, some of them White House staff, Cabinet members as well as people from the Justice Department. So many of those (lists) developed when I started to pursue the big picture."

Suspicous deaths around Hillary.

Shawn Lucas*– Aug. 2, 2016
On July 3, attorney Shawn Lucas, 38, helped serve the DNC with a lawsuit claiming then DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz "rigged the primary for Hillary Clinton." The complaint was served before Wasserman Schultz resigned amid the Wikileaks email scandal on July 24. Less than one month after he helped serve the lawsuit, Lucas' girlfriend found him dead in his bathroom.

Victor Thorn*– Aug. 1, 2016
Authored four books on the Clintons: "Hillary (and Bill): The Sex Volume," Hillary (and Bill): The Drugs Volume," "Hillary (and Bill): The Murder Volume" and "Crowning Clinton: Why Hillary Shouldn't Be in the White House." Thorn reportedly committed suicide with a gun on his 54th birthday on a mountaintop in Pennsylvania.

Joe Montano*– July 25, 2016
Served as*chairman of the Democratic National Committee before Debbie Wasserman Schultz and was an aide to Hillary's running mate, Tim Kaine, reportedly died of a heart attack after the Wikileaks DNC email dump. Montano was only 47.

Seth Rich*– July 10, 2016
DNC staffer Seth Rich was murdered near his affluent neighborhood in Washington, D.C. Rich was shot in the back at 4:15 a.m. while he walked home from his girlfriend's apartment.*Rich previously worked on the failed U.S. Senate campaign of Nebraska businessman Scott Kleeb, whose clean-energy business had come under investigation after losing $300,000 in 2010 and another $300,000 in 2011 despite having been subsidized by the Clinton Global Initiative.

John Ashe*– June 22, 2016
Former United Nations General Assembly President John Ashe was found dead in His New York*home, and*the cause of death was reported as a heart attack. But the local Dobbs Ferry police said "his throat had been crushed, presumably by a barbell he dropped while pumping iron." "The death by barbell of disgraced U.N. official John Ashe could become a bigger obsession for conspiracy theorists than Vince Foster's 1993 suicide," the report by Richard Johnson said.

Gareth Williams*– Aug. 16, 2010
A*transatlantic*MI6 spy whose dead body was*found naked, padlocked, and stuffed in a 32-inch by 19-inch duffel bag that was sitting in his London bathtub, had illegally hacked secret data on Bill Clinton, according to the U.K. Sun.*The news site noted,*"His death is still one of Britain's most mysterious unsolved cases."

Charles Ruff*– Nov. 20, 2000
61, an influential lawyer in Washington, D.C., who defended Clinton during his Monica Lewinsky scandal and impeachment trial, reportedly died "after an accident at his Washington home."*One report said he was found unconscious*outside his shower. Other reports indicated he had a heart attack.

Carlos Ghigliotti*– April 28, 2000
A key figure in the Waco congressional investigation, was found mysteriously dead in his home outside Washington, D.C. His badly decomposed body was found sitting at his desk in his office in Laurel, Maryland. Police said there was no evidence of forced entry into his office.

Charles Wilbourne Miller*– Nov. 17, 1999
Vice president and board member for Alltel, the company that created the White House's "Big Brother" computer system.

Daniel Dutko*– July 27, 1999
Daniel Dutko, 54, the co-chairman of the Democratic National Committee fundraising effort, Leadership 2000, reportedly died from head injuries in a mountain biking accident in Aspen.

Lt. Gen. David J. McCloud – July 26, 1998
Served as Clinton's director for the Joint Chiefs of Staff Force Structure, Resources and Assessment Directorate, or J-8, from May 1996 to December 1997. He later became the commander of Alaskan Command and 11th Air Force.

Johnny Lawhorn Jr.*– March 29, 1998
A mechanic, reportedly discovered a large check from Madison Guaranty Savings and Loan made out to Bill Clinton. The check was said to have been found in a car at his repair shop. He was later killed in a car accident.

James McDougal – March 8,*1998
A former business partner of the Clinton's and the "brains behind the Whitewater Development Corp.," reportedly died of cardiac arrest in a federal prison hospital at the age of 58.

Eric Butera*– Dec. 4, 1997
An informant who had information about the murder of Mary Caitrin Mahoney. He was told to help police with an undercover drug buy, during which he was beaten to death.

Ron Miller*– Oct. 12, 1997
Mary Caitrin Mahoney*– July 6, 1997
John Hillyer*– Nov. 29, 1996
Barbara Wise*– Nov. 29, 1996*
Ron Brown*– April 3, 1996
Charles Meissner*–*April 3, 1996
Stanley Huggins*– June 23, 1994
Bill Shelton*– June 12, 1994
Kathy Ferguson*– May 10, 1994
James Bunch*– Feb. 11, 1994
Gandy Baugh*– Jan. 8, 1994
Ed Willey*– Nov. 29, 1993
Jerry Luther Parks*– Sept. 26, 1993
Dr. Stanley Heard –*Sept. 10, 1993
Jon Parnell Walker*– Aug. 15, 1993
Vince Foster*– July 20, 1993
Jim Wilhite*– Dec. 21, 1992
C. Victor Raiser II and Montgomery Raiser*– July 30, 1992
Susan Coleman*– Feb. 15, 1977
 
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16) Hillary's radical pal, Saul Alinsky
As reported, the exact nature and extent of Hillary's relationship with radical community organizer Saul Alinsky has long been the subject of speculation and intrigue. The interest has been largely fueled by her suppressed and later released 92 page senior thesis for Wellesley College offering an extensive, largely positive critique of Alinsky and his work. Long after Alinsky's death in June 1972, a group Clinton co chaired maintained a working relationship with Alinsky's main community organizing outfit, the Industrial Areas Foundation, or IAF. The partnership extended into the 1990s and yielded influence over the education policy of the Clinton presidency. Dick Morris, a former top political adviser to Bill Clinton both as governor of Arkansas and as president, noted to WND that education reform "is the key issue Hillary Clinton used to propel herself independently to the forefront of Arkansas politics during Bill's governorship." "The revelation of how closely linked her efforts were back in the 80s, and have been since, to an Alinsky radical front group is deeply disturbing and expands our understanding of Hillary's fundamental radicalism and commitment to the new left of Saul Alinsky," Morris said.

17) Hillary laughs about defending child rapist
As reported, Hillary explained her defense of a child rape suspect as just part of the job. But she hasn't explained her laughing about his passing of a lie detector test, which "destroyed" her faith in such evaluations. "Once I was appointed I fulfilled that obligation," she said in an interview with Mumsnet, a U.K. community of parents providing and sharing information on a variety of subjects and issues. In the video she is asked, "As a lawyer, you defended the rapist of a 12 year old girl, calling the victim 'emotionally unstable' and saying that girls have a tendency to 'exaggerate or romanticize sexual experiences especially when they come from disorganized families.'" Comments?
Clinton said: "When I was a 27 year old attorney doing legal aid work at the law school where I taught in Fayetteville, Arkansas, I was appointed by the local judge to represent a criminal defendant accused of rape. I asked to be relieved of that responsibility. But I was not and I had a professional duty to represent my client to the best of my ability, which I did. "He later pled guilty to a lesser included offense. When you're a lawyer you often don't have the choice as to who you will represent, and by the very nature of criminal law there will be those who you represent you don't approve of, but at least in our system, you have an obligation and once I was appointed, I fulfilled that obligation."
However, she did not address the reports of unearthed recordings in which she almost boasts of knowing of her client's guilt and laughing about the case. The tapes reveal her discussing the case of Thomas Alfred Taylor, then 41, who was accused of raping a 12 year old in Springdale, Arkansas, on May 10, 1975. "It was a fascinating case, it was a very interesting case," Clinton said on the tape. "This guy was accused of raping a 12 year old. Course he claimed that he didn't, and all this stuff. … I had him take a polygraph, which he passed, which forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs." She laughed at the statement.

The Washington Free Beacon report on the recordings also confirmed she was laughing several other times while discussing the case, including "when discussing the crime lab's accidental destruction of DNA evidence that tied Taylor to the crime." Published profiles of the case reveal that Clinton's strategy at the time was to attack the 12 year old. She submitted an affidavit that said she was told the girl was "emotionally unstable" and was viewed as having a "tendency to seek out older men and engage in fantasizing." She claimed the child "in the past made false accusations" and she exhibited "an unusual stubbornness and temper when she does not get her way." The woman who says she was raped by the defendant blasted Hillary in 2014, accusing her of intentionally lying about her in court documents. "Hillary Clinton took me through hell," she told the Daily Beast.

18) Hillary cashes in: Iranian fundraising
As reported, Hillary received funds from an arm of the Iranian government and hired a convicted Iranian American multimillionaire with ties to Tehran as her national campaign finance director in 2008. The Bill, Hillary, and Chelsea Clinton Foundation accepted $30,000 between April 2005 and March 2006 and another contribution of between $25,000 and $50,000 in 2008 from the New York-based Alavi Foundation, which U.S. government prosecutors have identified as an arm of the Iranian government. For her 2008 presidential campaign, Clinton hired Hassan Nemazee as her national campaign finance director, who was known for his efforts to normalize relations with the theocratic Iranian regime. In 2010, Nemazee pleaded guilty to running a Ponzi scheme in which he obtained $292 million in fraudulent loans. He was sentenced to 12 years in prison.

Rachel Ehrenfeld, director of the American Center for Democracy, spelled out the problem with the Clinton Foundation receiving funds from the Alavi Foundation in a Jan. 5, 2009, article published by Forbes. "Alavi's contribution, in 2008, to Clinton came just two days after the Treasury Department also designated Alavi's partner, the New York-based Assa Corp., as a terrorist entity, and the New York Southern District's attorney seized and forfeited its assets," Ehrenfeld wrote.

19) Clinton Foundation: Scandals keep coming
As reported, the Clintons appear to have siphoned off tens of millions of dollars annually from funds the Bill, Hillary, and Chelsea Clinton Foundation has received from a United Nations sponsored program that uses levies on airline tickets to help HIV/AIDs victims in the Third World, charges Wall Street analyst and investor Charles Ortel. The Clinton Foundation also reportedly distributed useless drugs to AIDS patients in Third-World countries. Although Hillary was appointed to the board of directors of the Clinton Foundation in 2013, after she had resigned as secretary of state, Ortel contends she is complicit in what he has described as systematic financial fraud warranting a criminal investigation. After months of tedious investigation, Ortel has concluded the foundation has filed financial and tax forms that were materially misleading, incomplete and in error with the goal of enriching the Clintons and their close associates. Ortel alleges Hillary advanced an "inurement" scheme enriching oneself through a nonprofit organization in complicity with her husband by positioning various key associates within the Clinton Foundation structure while she served as U.S. senator from New York and subsequently as secretary of state under President Obama.
"Ongoing analysis of legally required public disclosures reveals that while Mrs. Clinton served as director, the Clinton Foundation and its principal constituent elements, filed false and materially misleading tax returns with the IRS and with other governmental authorities, for multiple years," Ortel charges in his second report on alleged Clinton Foundation mismanagement. As reported, based on Ortel's findings, a prominent lawyer and a top government watchdog in the nation's capital are calling for the Clinton Foundation to be shut down.

20) Benghazi: 4 American lives lost
On Sept. 11, 2012, while Hillary was secretary of state, Islamic militants attacked a U.S. special mission in Benghazi, Libya, and murdered U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and U.S. Foreign Service Information Management officer Sean Smith. Two CIA contractors, Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty, were also killed. In the months leading up to the attack, Hillary's State Department cut security in Libya. Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., accused Hillary of "dereliction of duty" that led to the deaths of the four Americans. "The State Department not only failed to honor repeated requests for additional security, but instead actually reduced security in Libya," Johnson wrote in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. "Although no one can say with certainty, I firmly believe a relatively small contingent of armed military guards would have prevented the attack, and those four lives would not have been lost."

As reported, a security decision finalized personally by Hillary may have unwittingly doomed the Americans in Benghazi. Hillary herself signed waivers that allowed the facility to be legally occupied, since it did not meet the minimum official security standards set by the State Department. The waiver legally allowed the CIA annex to be housed in a location about one mile from the U.S. special mission. According to accounts from Benghazi survivors, the delayed response time by those at the CIA annex may have cost the lives of Stevens and the three other Americans killed at the special mission. If the CIA annex had been co-located with the U.S. special mission, a rapid response team would have been on site during the initial assault in which Stevens was killed. Clinton's waiver allowed the CIA annex to be housed at the separate location.

As reported, State Department emails show Clinton knew while the attack was under way that it was being carried out by terrorists. Judicial Watch obtained previously classified documents from the U.S. Department of Defense and the Department of State revealing that DOD almost immediately reported that the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, was planned and carried out by al-Qaida and Muslim Brotherhood linked terrorists. A federal court ordered the government hand over more than 100 pages of previously secret documents that showed then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and other senior Obama officials were given reports within hours of the Sept. 11, 2012, attack. In those memos, the DOD described details of a plan 10 days in advance "to kill as many Americans as possible." Nonetheless, Hillary falsely blamed it on "rage and violence over an awful Internet video" when she spoke at a ceremony at Andrews Air Force Base on Sept. 14, 2012, as the remains of the four Americans were returned to the U.S. To this day, Rep. Trey Gowdy, R S.C., says the State Department has failed to comply with requests for information about Benghazi.

21) Peter Franklin Paul: Another Hillary friend goes to prison
As reported, Hillary was named in a lawsuit brought by Peter Franklin Paul for allegedly directing to her 2000 Senate campaign an illegal, in kind contribution from Paul that included a fundraiser at the exclusive Spago restaurant in Beverly Hills, a tea hosted at the Beverly Hills home of socialite Cynthia Gershman and a lavish, A list, million dollar plus Hollywood gala honoring Bill Clinton. At the trial of Clinton's finance director for the 2000 senatorial campaign, David Rosen, the government told the jury Paul personally gave more than $1.2 million to produce the events. Paul, a former business partner of Spider Man creator Stan Lee who sued Bill for fraud and accused Hillary of hiding nearly $2 million in Senate campaign donations, alleged they sabotaged the media company he formed with Lee to get out of a $17 million agreement made with Bill Clinton to serve as an international promoter for the company after he left the White House. Paul was indicted in June 2001 for manipulating the price of the stock in his company, Stan Lee Media, as it was collapsing. A judge determined Paul didn't profit from the attempt to save his company, but he accepted a plea bargain and served three years in prison. Paul charged Attorney General Eric Holder and his Justice Department obstructed justice by reneging on a sentencing agreement. "Hillary is carrying out her promise to finally destroy my family to punish me for exposing the corruption that elected her to the Senate," Paul said at the time.
The Clintons were effusive in their praise of Paul until just days after an August 2000 Hollywood gala, when the Washington Post reported Paul's 1970s criminal convictions in a story that accused the senator of being soft on crime. Clinton continued, however, to quietly solicit money from Paul and sent him letters expressing friendship. Paul has extensive video corroborating his contention he and Hillary spent hours together and sat next to each other at the fundraising events.

22) Watergate: Fired for being a 'liar'
Hillary actually played a role in the Watergate saga, and her actions as a young attorney may have set the tone for her career. The 27 year-old Clinton was fired from the staff of the House Judiciary committee investigating the Watergate scandal in 1974. She was fired by her supervisor, lifelong Democrat Jerry Zeifman, who called her a liar and much worse. "She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer," he said. "She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality." Zeifman also refused to give Clinton a letter of recommendation, making her one of only three employees he snubbed during his 17 year career.

23) Gift gate:
Hillary blasted former Clinton adviser Dick Morris when he alleged in a New York Post article that the former first lady hadn't disclosed "three or four" pricey handbags from designer Judith Leiber worth more than $3,000 each, five dresses received from the king of Morocco (one of which Hillary was seen wearing), a gold bracelet Chelsea Clinton accepted in India and other gifts Hillary was given during the Clinton administration. Morris wrote, "Hillary Clinton got many expensive and personal gifts during her eight years as first lady and never disclosed them." A Clinton aide acknowledged the handbags were given to Hillary, but he said one was received before the inauguration, another was listed on a 1994 disclosure form and others were turned over to the National Archives. He said four dresses were returned to the king, and Hillary gave the fifth dress to the National Archives after she wore it. The aide claimed the bracelet was also sent to the National Archives.

24) Questions that the "media" tried to cover up:

How may times did Hillary pass out and almost fall down during the 2016 campaign? Was she wearing a back brace at times? Why? When she fell down and cracked her head, had a concussion, did that give her a lasting problem? When her eyes rolled around wildly during the debates, was that a sign of some kind of neurological problem?

25) Hillary Clinton Misrepresented her Record opposing the Iraq War

In Eugene, Ore., Saturday, April 5, 2008, Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., attempted to change the measure by which anyone might assess who criticized the Iraq war first, her or Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., by saying those keeping records should start in January 2005, when Obama joined the Senate. A measure that conveniently avoids her October 2002 vote to authorize use of force against Iraq at a time that Obama was speaking out against the war. She claimed that using that measure, she criticized the war in Iraq before Obama did.
But Clinton’s claim was false.

26) Hillary Clinton Misrepresented her Role in the Irish Peace Accord

The historian Tim Pat Coogan told The Chicago Tribune: "It was a nice thing to see her there, with the women’s groups. It helped, I suppose. But it was ancillary to the main thing. It was part of the stage effects, the optics." Former SDLP man Brian Feeney said pithily: "The road to peace was carefully documented, and she wasn’t on it."

27) Hillary Clinton Claimed she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary

During a stop in Nepal while on a south Asian goodwill tour in April 1995, First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton engaged in a brief and reportedly coincidental meeting with Sir Edmund Hillary who, along with Tenzing Norgay, became the first person to reach the summit of the world’s highest mountain, Mt. Everest, in 1953 and told reporters she had been named after the famed mountain climber. The notion that Ms. Clinton's given name was inspired by the man who conquered Everest was almost certainly a bit of fiction invented for political expediency as many critics have noted, Edmund Hillary didn't become world-famous until six years after Hillary Rodham was born.

28) Hillary Clinton Lied about supporting NAFTA

On November 1, 1996, United Press International reported that on a trip to Brownsville, Texas, Clinton "touted the president’s support for the North American Free Trade Agreement, saying it would reap widespread benefits in the region." The Associated Press followed up the next day noting that Hillary Clinton touted the fact that "the president would continue to support economic growth in South Texas through initiatives such as the North American Free Trade Agreement."
In her memoir, Clinton wrote, "Senator Dole was genuinely interested in health care reform but wanted to run for president in 1996. He couldn’t hand incumbent Bill Clinton any more legislative victories, particularly after Bill’s successes on the budget, the Brady bill and NAFTA."

29) Hillary Clinton Lied about her role in the passage of the Family and Medical Leave Act

Her campaign Web site boasted that her record includes "helping to pass the Family and Medical Leave Act." But the bill was pushed in Congress for years and passed twice, only to be vetoed by former President George H.W. Bush. Congress passed it a third time as Bill Clinton took office. He signed it into law on Feb. 5, 1993, barely two weeks after he became president. Hillary Clinton's own White House schedules, recently released, make no mention of any meetings on the bill.

30)Hillary Clinton Lied about the "uninsured" woman who died after childbirth

Senator Hillary Clinton featured in her campaign stump speeches the story of a health care horror: an uninsured pregnant woman who lost her baby and died herself after being denied care by an Ohio hospital because she could not come up with a $100 fee. The woman, Trina Bachtel, did die in August, two weeks after her baby boy was stillborn at O’Bleness Memorial Hospital in Athens, Ohio. But hospital administrators said later that Ms. Bachtel was under the care of an obstetrics practice affiliated with the hospital, that she was never refused treatment and that she was, in fact, insured. Linda M. Weiss, a spokeswoman for the not-for-profit hospital, said the Clinton campaign had never contacted the hospital to check the accuracy of the story, which Mrs. Clinton had first heard from a Meigs County, Ohio, sheriff's deputy in late February 2008. A Clinton spokesman, Mo Elleithee, said candidates would frequently retell stories relayed to them, vetting them when possible. "In this case, we did try but were not able to fully vet it," Mr. Elleithee said. "If the hospital claims it did not happen that way, we respect that".

But, But, But....Hillary must have lost due to racism, redneck-ism, nazi-ism, homo-dislike, right-wing-ism, muslim-dislike, misogyny, and the Russians. There is just no other answer!..... She believed that she was going to win because her "media" kept telling her that she was going to win by a 3-7 point margin, a landslide. And she still believes it. And so do those who voted for her. Regardless of facts.

One of the things that make her supporters so mad it that Trump is going to get another justice on the supreme court. Which will probably make the court act in a more lawful manner, instead of acting like a criminal organization functioning outside of the rule of law. Another words, not like a super legislature, imagining that they have authority to make law, violating their constitutional parameters of authority. But like a court of law, enforcing the law that the legislature makes. And this justice could be on the court for 30+ years.

https://www.history.com/topics/electoral-college
 
Old 07-10-2018, 09:04 PM   #3
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Nice copypasta from 2015.

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22C...nt=firefox-b-1
 
Old 07-11-2018, 06:34 AM   #4
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Nice copypasta
my thoughts precisely.

also:
"The media"? like they're all one big conspiring blob?
even in corporate america, that isn't true.
you seem to be suffering some sort of ... (appropriate term eludes me atm).

fwiw, here in my homeland across the big pond, trump is the first ever USA president i witnessed that is being criticised by all parties (and yes, parties, actual politicians, not media).
the difference between conservative, liberal, democrat or social is only in how much they criticize him & his goverment.
 
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I checked. Krafft-Ebing has no explanation for the Hillary Clinton fetish.
 
Old 07-20-2018, 05:02 PM   #6
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One word, teckk, that possibly may refer to Hillary as well but certainly has served to reveal reams about your hero Donald Trump, and just how "Fake News" The Media (corporations, btw, with corporate views and values, hardly liberal .....) has actually been regarding Trump where it counts most....

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No, you missed the point, Donald Trump certainly is not my hero.
The post (Not pro Trump) was meant to show how/why he got here to start with. All the dems had to do to win the election was to run someone who was mundane and not too disliked. Instead they had to run one of the most criminal, fake, disliked, dishonest, wooden, baggaged, and sickly candidates for that office in my lifetime. And the "media" most certainly did indeed try their best to cover for her and vilify the other side. It was so obvious that there was a backlash against it even from democrats. So if you don't like the current President, then the blame goes at least partially, to the democrats, their candidate, and their political action group "media" for bringing it about. Loosing to Donald Trump is like loosing to Donald Duck.

And they are about to do it again for the midterm election. There was suppose to be a big blue wave across the country come midterm, And that is normal for the US over the last few decades. Whoever is in the white house, the electorate puts the opposite part in the congress. I don't know if that is on purpose, or if it's just part of the American brain wanting to promote the underdog. That Blue wave is evaporating, due to the behavior of the democrats and their media. They are acting like a 5 year old who did not get the cookie that they want, and they are going to stomp their feet until they get it.

Nancy Pelosi and Maxine Waters act like they need some forced mental treatment, right now, before they shoot someone. In fact Maxine has been calling for violence against conservatives, and there has been some maybe due to her. Should they be held accountable under law, or is that just conservatives that should have to shut up?

Talk about interfering with a national election(Russia). What about an unhinged "media" trying to overturn the results of a democratically elected member of government? Can we investigate them for interfering with an election like Russia has been investigated?

They are completely fake and dishonest, and they are turning the electorate off with their unhinged behavior. They are creating Republican voters. And this is going to continue for the next 2 or 6 years. And I don't think that they they are able to get that.

Corporate money influencing politics, ya you bet, been talking about that for decades, even passed some laws changing it. Does that include big labor unions, and big "education" who vote democrat as a block, and try to influence national elections using member dues? Or is that just conservatives that should be barred from giving money to candidates and parties?

Yup, we've all seen Helsinki.(Cringe, Gasp, Doubletalk) Maybe we should have sent Hillary over there with a reset button. Or maybe send Obama over there to bow to Putin, and tell him that he will have more leverage to work with him after the next election. But then again, we don't know what happened there except for the part that "media" gave us. (Based on decades of watching them). If that would have been Obama that said that crap, the "media" would have buried it. Or moved on after one mention of it.

Who elected this very biased media who twists facts, drives agenda's, refused to cover facts, lies, distorts, edits, shows bias, makes crap up, to represent us? They consider themselves to be the fourth arm of government. Well, then can we vote out those that we don't want? Of course not. The only recourse is to expose them, with facts for everyone to look over. And I suppose that some on the political left don't like it.

And just for the record, a country that is run completely by conservatives would be just as big a tyranny as a country run by the marxist left. I would like to have as much freedom as possible. And a lying/fake media hinders that.

Thanks for the post.
 
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Everyone should read this very carefully: Thomas Jefferson's Second Inaugural Address March 4,1805:
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/jefinau2.asp
 
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Exceptionally good point, ChuangTzu. The authors of the Declaration of Independence and The Articles of Confederation (and some, begrudgingly, of The Constitution and Bill of Rights were so convinced of the vast importance of Freedom of Speech and it's subset, Freedom of the Press that immediately after amendments regarding the derivation and mechanics of government, the first ones directly for the people, Amendment III and IV, are of Speech and Press. In Jefferson's 2nd Inaugural speech that you linked he notes that the only rightful controls over the Press is the examination and disdain of the people. It is up to us to compare and contrast many sources to determine what is responsible and true,

It should be pointed out that Jefferson is considered an Anti-Federalist and in rather constant conflict with Alexander Hamilton, a Federlist who owned most of The Press in the new US, yet Jefferson championed complete freedom of speech whether spoken or written even though it had already come to pass that many like Hamilton had used it to discredit and defame Jefferson and his causes, even blocking and/or severely altering legislation he championed. IMHO he rightfully considered Hamilton and several others elitists who presented a clear danger of perverting the new government into an aristocracy. It's quite possible his fears were justified but given a truly Free Press should ultimately right itself.

Would that modern leaders were as learned and high-minded as Jefferson regardless of what political party they are affiliated with.
 
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Would that modern leaders were as learned and high-minded as Jefferson regardless of what political party they are affiliated with.
Its quite sad that most politicians behave more like idiocracy or some form of power grabbing totalitarians. Perhaps, some of the wisdom of the founding fathers was in one part the higher level of education and self education they had, as well as their reluctance to be politicians. Look at how many returned quietly to their private lives after serving public office.

I am reminded of the Taoist Classics, Tao Teh Ching and the I-Ching, which state that the highest leader and the highest level of leadership is one where the people do not know they are being led and have no concept of who the leader is, instead they say "we did this", the lowest levels say the leaders did this and we just follow.

It is a shame enorbet, that Jefferson is neglected so much in our educational and cultural system(s). I posit its because he was one of the "true" founders and therefore a direct threat to those opposed to those values.

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I heartily agree, ChuangTzu, but have found that Jefferson is often lately NOT neglected but rather besmirched. It is possibly just a sign of the times, times in which media, especially news media, has become entertainment more than journalism, tending to run the lurid audience gathering stories that appeal to the visceral rather than the intellectual or even informative. In any case your mention of Jefferson was timely for me since in the last few days I have posted many responses on a few YouTube slots that discuss, although some actually assert, regarding what is viewed as "conflicted" with Jefferson, often focusing on his relationship to slavery and especially his sexual and/or love relationship with Sally Hemmings. Many apparently uneducated folks refer to Jefferson as a "pedophile and rapist" when it is absolutely obvious that he was neither and by documentation from a wide variety of sources, including letters, diaries and documented behaviour, not to mention these apparently don't even really know the definition of the word "pedophile", let alone understand that it was commonplace for girls just entering puberty to wed immediately, usually to much older men, both for the security and for the reason of odds of surviving childbirth before modern medicine.

One of the reasons I spend considerable time on LQN is out of interest and respect for the superb moderation here that is nearly unique in my experience of forums that actually treats it's members as responsible adults and allows the verboten subjects of Politics and Religion. Would that many other forums take the hint and embrace "dangerous" subjects where discourse can lead to something akin to education rather than mere Pop Sensibilities.

As it applies to this specific thread, it is possible that I wrongfully concluded that such a hugely long list of Hillary's shortcomings and some media "coverage" of her (on both poles, actually) meant that Teckk was a Trump supporter. It appears it isn't quite as simple as that but it is clear that Teckk does have a powerful bias if for no other reason than describing those poles as "conservative or Marxist Leftists". That is obviously not a level playing field where the poles are weighed with the same level of rules or scrutiny. That appears to be a rather clear instance of dividing things into US and T H E M!.

As bad as things are now, even given the markedly global drift toward autocracy and aristocracy, I still have confidence in the ultimate triumph of Individual freedom and the value of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness based on inalienable rights of ALL. An extremely important part of the mechanics to get there is Checks and Balances, absent in Autocracy. Maybe someday Homo Sapiens will actually rise up to those ideals instead of just lip service and tiny, tiny steps. IMHO the alternative is extinction but I doubt I will live to see either occur.

What started as a rather boring thread is now becoming fascinating. I hope others gravitate to this logical tangent of the bigger picture, assuming Teckk welcomes such growth.

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Exceptionally good point, ChuangTzu. The authors of the Declaration of Independence and The Articles of Confederation (and some, begrudgingly, of The Constitution and Bill of Rights were so convinced of the vast importance of Freedom of Speech and it's subset, Freedom of the Press that immediately after amendments regarding the derivation and mechanics of government, the first ones directly for the people, Amendment III and IV, are of Speech and Press. In Jefferson's 2nd Inaugural speech that you linked he notes that the only rightful controls over the Press is the examination and disdain of the people. It is up to us to compare and contrast many sources to determine what is responsible and true,

It should be pointed out that Jefferson is considered an Anti-Federalist and in rather constant conflict with Alexander Hamilton, a Federlist who owned most of The Press in the new US, yet Jefferson championed complete freedom of speech whether spoken or written even though it had already come to pass that many like Hamilton had used it to discredit and defame Jefferson and his causes, even blocking and/or severely altering legislation he championed. IMHO he rightfully considered Hamilton and several others elitists who presented a clear danger of perverting the new government into an aristocracy. It's quite possible his fears were justified but given a truly Free Press should ultimately right itself.

Would that modern leaders were as learned and high-minded as Jefferson regardless of what political party they are affiliated with.
They both owned newspapers.

Hamilton also argued persuasively in favor truth being just. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Croswell
 
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I don't see why it would be Russia. I meant "I don't see why it would wouldn't be Russia".
 
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^ hm, i'm beginning to see teck's point.
still not sure that a wall of copypasta was the best way to convey it...

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HELSINKI
i live nearby, but i spent most of the past three weeks deep in the forest, so this completely passed me by!

of course there's the usual outrage about Mr T. stepping into yet another turd, i have nothing to add to that, we didn't expect otherwise, now did we?

but this one's exceptional, showing how inferior he is in every respect to that KGB guy, and how he seems to be rolling over, offering up his throat, in both body language and speech... wow. america, i pity you. russia, i pity you, too. not sure what kind of politician is the more dangerous one: the greedy powerhungry idiot or the intelligent evil controller, esp. when given such large countries to preside over...

looking at some random (english) youtube videos, i hear a lot of "war vocabulary" (wouldn't call it war mongering just yet): Mr T. failed to defend America, Mr P. is an "adversary", Russia "attacked" America etc.
I'm not saying the allegations against Russia are wrong!
But certainly this is not the right way to go about things? As usual, public relations people in the USA seem unwilling to look at the global picture, way too busy navel-gazing their national concerns, catering to their "broad public"...

But surely this is the wrong way to go about it? Temperance, please! More constructive diplomacy, less threatening posture!

At least Ms Albright seems to agree with me, I found this article rather interesting - though I have a vague feeling i don't completely agree with her politically, she is clearly calling for temperance, and the world's nations not to loose faith in america.

this one makes me proud of my chosen home country - even the biggest (by a laaaarge margin) newspaper criticizes both leaders rather openly. and there's some interesting footage concerning the body language i mentioned earlier.

fun fact: the Helsinki cathedral looks a little bit like the white house...
 
  


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