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Old 06-06-2021, 02:00 AM   #16
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... it's long been possible for someone to record you without you knowing; the difference today isn't just that it's more common, it's that it's hard to avoid being recorded on something.
Just because you can be recorded doesn't mean it's legal. Here in the U.S., the legality of these recordings gets really complicated. Depending on the state, there are different definitions of what legal recording even is. In some states, all it takes is for one side of a conversation to agree to the recording. In others, both sides have to agree. I'm old enough to remember that it was once pretty much universal that both sides had to agree and the recording itself HAD to include a beep every 20sec or so to remind everyone that the conversation was being recorded. Now throw Alexa or other devices into the mix. Does the device owner even realize that everything uttered is being transmitted outside their house so that nobody was aware that the conversation was being recorded?

Then there's law enforcement aspect of these devices. They've gotta love 'em. No more skulking around to plant wiretaps in someone's house---the person being investigated has done that work for them. All they need is for a judge to give them the OK to have Amazon, their ISP, or whoever insert a tee into the datastream coming from 123 Maple Street and record it.

If I see one of those in a house we're visiting, there's a darned good chance that I'll ask for it to be turned off. (Or the host will find that it's been stuffed behind some sofa cushions. Finally, a good use for all those decorative pillows that many seem so keen to fill their sofas up with.)
 
Old 06-06-2021, 09:59 AM   #17
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Here in the U.S., the legality of these recordings gets really complicated
I think that it just depends on who has the biggest stick. Just because "they" are doing it doesn't make it legal at all. Just means that "they" are getting away with it for now. And it takes years for complaints to work their way through the courts. 10 years sometimes.

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All they need is for a judge to give them the OK
Yup, and that doesn't meant that's legal either. The courts aren't law abiding organizations anymore. They are political operatives.

And then, some law enforcement agencies have decided that they don't have to obey the courts. Remember when the courts decided that the info collected during the homeland security collection of data in the early 2000's was illegal and had to be deleted, and 2 years later it was found that the FBI ignored them, and kept it anyway, and the courts had to threaten them with contempt?

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Does the device owner even realize that everything uttered is being transmitted outside their house so that nobody was aware that the conversation was being recorded?
And...you have no idea what that info could be used for in the future, or where it is being stored, or what hacker is intercepting it. That info could come back to get you 20 years from now when you decide that you want to run for mayor.
 
Old 06-08-2021, 10:50 PM   #18
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If I see one of those in a house we're visiting, there's a darned good chance that I'll ask for it to be turned off.
I recommend people to have this sort of civil courage.
It can be a polite request, and it should not be an issue (not during an informal get-together anyhow).
But then again, most smartphones are doing the same thing (listening, that is) and asking folks to switch them off is (unfortunately) considered a no-no nowadays. Just like it's considered normal that people talk to "themselves", something we had good fun with one or two decades ago, when people started running around with wireless headsets in their ears.
But I digress.....

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Here in the U.S., the legality ...
Thank you for specifying "in the US". Many don't do it, and I always feel it's important to point out that the situation is very different in other countries.
 
Old 06-09-2021, 05:29 PM   #19
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If I see one of those in a house we're visiting, there's a darned good chance that I'll ask for it to be turned off. (Or the host will find that it's been stuffed behind some sofa cushions. Finally, a good use for all those decorative pillows that many seem so keen to fill their sofas up with.)
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I recommend people to have this sort of civil courage.
It can be a polite request, and it should not be an issue (not during an informal get-together anyhow).
There’s always this tactic. I don’t know if I’d ever have come up with it myself. I think it wouldn’t be considered polite, though.

https://xkcd.com/1807/
 
Old 06-09-2021, 08:19 PM   #20
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That info could come back to get you 20 years from now when you decide that you want to run for mayor.
This is the only reason I like these things. I don't bother to vote because it doesn't seem to matter who wins, same old stuff every time. However I certainly don't like the idea of a sex offender or whatever other horrible things a person has done not being found out due to privacy issues.

I like my privacy. I however do not like that the legal system is built (at least in the us) for people to get away with stuff. Happens all the time. One technicality on a warrant, full house of evidence "doesn't exist". That is a failed system. Not taking sides but in the case of that Steel dossier or whatever they don't even try to deny the things the former president was accused of. All they care about is how they got it. If they can prove that it was ill gotten it's irrelevant and canceled out as well as near everything that came from it.

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Old 06-10-2021, 08:59 AM   #21
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https://www.usnews.com/news/business...-to-your-wi-fi
 
Old 06-10-2021, 09:25 AM   #22
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I noticed a trend from my computer savvy offspring (all grown up now).

They have a feeling that yes, they're being watched, but if you want to do stuff, it's inevitable. It's a bit like you realise there's no curtains in your bathroom, so anyone looking can see you shower.But you want a shower, so you go ahead.

The alternative is too much of a struggle, and takes persistence. Looking up a dictionary is too much effort when you can google it. So they just put it out of their minds.
 
Old 06-10-2021, 09:38 AM   #23
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I remember asking a friend whether it didn't worry her at all that Apple always knows exactly where she is (she has an iPhone) and she couldn't understand what the problem was.
 
Old 06-11-2021, 12:48 AM   #24
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Looking up a dictionary is too much effort when you can google it. So they just put it out of their minds.
Too extreme examples. Looking up things can be done comfortably even on a mobile device without using FAAMG at all.
The Problem is that FAAMG (most notably Google I'd say) do everything in their power to create the impression they are the internet.
My coworkers don't remember the difference between an URL bar and a search bar anymore.

So, not very savvy to use Google to end up at a wikipedia article.
 
  


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