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Old 10-19-2016, 08:45 AM   #16
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I had to go and look up what MrRobot was ...
 
Old 10-19-2016, 10:04 AM   #17
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I might be in the minority, but I actually like the show.

It's just that anytime I see them using Kali I let out a very audible sigh... I just know I'm going to come on here the next day and see something in the Newbie forum like:

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How do I get my sound working with Kali?
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Help! Can't install PlayonLinux on Kali
 
Old 10-19-2016, 10:33 AM   #18
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The "How do I shave my beard with this chainsaw?" crowd?
 
Old 10-19-2016, 10:36 AM   #19
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Kali is actually a very good tool if you're using it right.
Unlike others it only bundles the basics without adding "dangerous" scripts as others do.
Further more it's both Debian based and semi supported (you'll find many Debian people in their core team).

What I don't get is why it's suddenly used as a script-kiddie tool.
It's meant as an educational tool and doesn't even offer the "easy-cracking" stuff for modern systems (all of its examples are based on old and already fixed Window XP flaws and the Metasploit Framework).

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Old 10-19-2016, 10:51 AM   #20
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The "How do I shave my beard with this chainsaw?" crowd?
LOL, the very same.

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Kali is actually a very good tool if you're using it right.
Couldn't agree more.
 
Old 10-19-2016, 10:51 AM   #21
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The "How do I shave my beard with this chainsaw?" crowd?
First rule is; Be sure to use your ear plugs or defenders!

Second rule; Repair Nicks

Third rule; No loose clothing!

Forth rule; Must have Dr. on speed dial!

Welcome to the club!
 
Old 10-19-2016, 04:04 PM   #22
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(Back in the olden days, we would have called the Kali users of which you speak "script kiddies.")
i still do and a ton are over on 4chan

use the best tool for the job with keeping in mind your experience in debian or rhel or slackware camps

kali on a usb is fun to play around with , BUT!!!! if you have to ask basic linux questions then one should really NOT be trying to use it

using Kali is like making a night landing on a carrier in rough seas

if you have never learned to fly even a single engine Cessna then you ARE going to "crash and burn "
 
Old 10-19-2016, 08:23 PM   #23
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What I don't get is why it's suddenly used as a script-kiddie tool
I was never a script kiddie. When I was a kiddie, there was no such thing. Scripts were things actors read from.

I can say, though, that, when I was a kiddie, I did not always research things thoroughly before I did them, like driving 100 mph on country roads late at night and TPing my 10th Grade English teacher's front yard (I am still glad I did that, too).

I doubt kiddies have changed all that much over the years.

(I did do one thing right. I didn't get caught.)
 
Old 10-19-2016, 09:22 PM   #24
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One of the wisest sentences/advice my father gave me before he passed away.
I still use that logic still.

Doing 100mph on my motorcycle from time to time.

One of these months. I might give Kali a spin to see how dumb I am.
 
Old 10-19-2016, 09:28 PM   #25
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If you do, do so with a copy of the Linux Voice tutorial I mentioned above at your knee. It was a nice job of work.
 
Old 10-20-2016, 10:02 AM   #26
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I was never a script kiddie. When I was a kiddie, there was no such thing. Scripts were things actors read from.

I can say, though, that, when I was a kiddie, I did not always research things thoroughly before I did them, like driving 100 mph on country roads late at night and TPing my 10th Grade English teacher's front yard (I am still glad I did that, too).

I doubt kiddies have changed all that much over the years.

(I did do one thing right. I didn't get caught.)
Well yes, kids will always be kids.

Being a kid (in what's starting to look like a different time dimension), I did stupid things as well (and sadly got caught a few times).
... however ... I did took the time to learn the correct tools (in those days, cracking a system mostly meant using something silly as (a modified) telnet, security was almost non-existing).

Did the speeding thing as well.
Bought a Vespa "Special", knowing I could just remove a screw to make it 4 times faster (their engines where originally made for highway bikes).

Kali isn't and will never try to be a malicious cracking tool.
It's a zillion times easier to use existing and publicly available scripts for whatever system you're using.

PS: Just watched some episodes from that MrRobot show, and his most used "cracking" tool appears to be plain old wget.
IMHO, their seem to be many people using a fictional tv show to sell books(even O'Reilly) and other media, abusing Kali for something it simply can't do.
 
Old 10-20-2016, 01:51 PM   #27
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wget is a great tool

i use it all the time
 
Old 10-21-2016, 10:36 AM   #28
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wget is a great tool

i use it all the time
You're just like MrRobot!!8!!8!! ;--)
 
Old 10-21-2016, 01:24 PM   #29
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for bulk download of image data from cassini or MRO "wget" is the best tool to grab a few hundred images from the PDS archive
 
Old 11-06-2016, 05:14 AM   #30
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Advice on saying: not the [best] place for a Kali [beginner]

How might I politely/properly say: "not here" to like this (plus: Simply Goo...: kali cellphone)
I suspect that referring them to #11&#12 here (&#13!) wouldn't be 'ok'.

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