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Old 12-15-2015, 08:42 PM   #121
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Tarek el-Tayeb Mohamed Bouazizi did not like the status-quo.

But RT, CNN, FOX,Al Jazerra, seem to ignore that fact.

Billy Joel said it best

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We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No we didn't light it
But we tried to fight it
But I guess unseen organizations can take one mans pain, and just run with it as a means to their own agenda and ambitions. Face it. The world is crowded and the mice are beginning to eat each other.
 
Old 12-16-2015, 06:22 AM   #122
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Ah, the smell test!! As Gary North says, and many others believe, when things do not add up they are usually lies!!

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/12/...san-bernadino/
 
Old 12-17-2015, 09:15 AM   #123
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Well, the United States has always been rather naive when it comes to world politics. Except for a civil war in which it drove itself to "unconditional surrender" (and spent the next hundred years re-building the cities that it bombed-out ...), the US has never really faced "war" other than on its own terms. It always had (emphasis: "had" ...) overwhelming industrial might. It always was (emphasis: "was" ...) fairly geographically isolated from whatever was going on. It was handed "world reserve currency" status after WW2, and has "borrowed from itself" (now to the tune of millions of dollars a minute) to "buy the world."

In the 1970's, there were bitter war-protests in this country ... until the military industrialists realized that people were protesting the draft, not war. They didn't know nor care nor want to know about "what wasn't on the evening news."

America has fought wars "half-assed" ever since ... all over Planet Earth. Britain has done much the same thing on a smaller scale. And it consistently loses those wars.

Today, America is beginning to realize that the fundamental nature of war has changed ... thanks to the Internet, thanks to smart phones (with GPS), and thanks to insane policies like "non-immigrant 'guest worker' visas" and "the cloud," which puts petabytes of computer data anywhere in the world where electric power and labor are cheap. What's re-emerging is what, in the 19th century, was called "anarchists." (Think "Sacco and Vanzetti.") It is an extremely inexpensive and targeted way to "carry the war home."

The greatest fear that I have, is that we have with our "damnable devices" allowed an enormous dossier of information about millions of people to be accumulated with unprecedented levels of detail . . . and we have no idea who has access to this information, where it is, nor what might be done with it. "In the old days," only governments could accumulate information like that, and only at considerable (albeit secret) expense. In Orwell's 1984, "Big Brother" was the Government. The data collected was classified "Top Secret" (or higher ...), although more than ##CLASSIFIED## people have access to these "top" secrets and the government managed to let someone "steal" the list of applicants. Today, however, it's merely "marketing data." It's not protected at all. It is "data to be mined." Somehow, somewhere along the way, it was officially forgotten that Knowledge Is Power. Power that can be used for good, or ill. Power that can be used as you would wish it to be used, or not.

We're officially looking for people who might have such tendencies to be "using the Internet, of course." But the fact is that the memory-chip from an ordinary USB jump-drive can be concealed beneath a postage stamp. Absent from its metal holder, it cannot be detected by an airport X-ray. If you presume that your opponent is patient and cunning, as well as psychopathic ... and willing to use "old school" gumshoe techniques ... the "obvious possibilities" should scare the pants off you.

Information such as: exactly where you have been, plus-or-minus 7 feet, 24/7/365 for the entire year of 2014. Ditto your spouse, children, and your neighbors. Information, at this fantastic level of detail, can be collected by a game. And sent ... where? To whom?

"Be afraid. Be very afraid."

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Old 12-17-2015, 10:40 AM   #124
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Old 12-19-2015, 03:10 AM   #125
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A dangerous game of chess.

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Well, the United States has always been rather naive when it comes to world politics.
Naive is not the word, more like careless and arrogant. Again, the US has it in it's head that because it helped rebuild Europe after the second World War, it thinks it knows best, and can do nation building any way it sees fit. Even go as far as depose a legal head of state it deems it does not like.

Again, now I look at Syria since a resolution has just been agreed upon. The US would like nothing more to be sure they can get someone in power there, that will practically be their puppet.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35138675

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"However, while Western and Arab nations accept that Mr Assad can be part of the transition, they also insist he must be gone at the end of it.

France's Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said the idea of Mr Assad standing in elections was "unacceptable".

Syria's UN ambassador Bashar Jaafari said there was a "glaring contradiction" between outside countries talking about letting Syrians decide their future yet also insisting on replacing Mr Assad."
Sorry, but Jaafari has a point. Again, what is the US going to do if Assad legally remains in power? Another backed coup like in Libya?

Although the US seems to be dragging it's feet along the way. Or trying to take most of the credit.

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Today, America is beginning to realize that the fundamental nature of war has changed ... thanks to the Internet, thanks to smart phones (with GPS), and thanks to insane policies like "non-immigrant 'guest worker' visas" and "the cloud," which puts petabytes of computer data anywhere in the world where electric power and labor are cheap. What's re-emerging is what, in the 19th century, was called "anarchists." (Think "Sacco and Vanzetti.") It is an extremely inexpensive and targeted way to "carry the war home."
Today the US military brass need to realize that their strategy of wars by proxy, toppling leaders of other countries can no longer continue. They are stuck in the 20th century mindset of the cold-war, and still embrace conventional fighting. When you see Russia, ie Putin he has no patience for such things, since he made it clear that he could order missiles to be equipped with nuclear tips at a whim. The Russians no longer have the mindset of a conventional style war, if it comes down to it, they will shoot first with nuclear and then draw conventional later, or maybe not at all since there wouldn't be much point.

In fact, the Russians don't need to even fight directly either. They can just take down the right targets, they have already 'implied' that Israel is actually the obstacle to peace in that region, and behind is the two main players, US and the UK. Again, this time the UK has been rather quiet all of the sudden, they haven't said much of anything. I put this possibility, if the Russians were to strategically strike against Israel and the UK, then what? It would be just the US and Russia, after all David Cameron thought it 'cheeky' to retort to the Russians 'that the UK is not an island, but many islands: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AOTpfy_D10

MMMM,'kay, except just 1 warhead and no more island(s). I'm sure the Scotts or Irish won't be up in arms about that either. Plus the rest of Europe is kinda getting tired of the UK's games, either they are part of Europe or not. I think this is rather apt


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Oh, and looks like the US got caught with it's hand in the cookie jar again:

https://www.rt.com/usa/326377-usa-sp...-forces-libya/

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Old 12-19-2015, 07:36 AM   #126
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There is no military usefulness to a "nuclear" warhead. It absolutely poisons the land that it is dropped on, for thousands of years.

If you can't bomb a city and then occupy it, your weapon is useless.

Furthermore, our planet today has a "belt" of nuclear material, high in the ionosphere, from the nuclear explosions we've already done. There are vast regions of the Pacific surrounding the atolls where we did H-bomb tests where, to this day, nothing lives beneath the sea.

And in the case of WW2, it didn't stop the Japanese from fighting. Conventional fire-bombing of Tokyo, and the soon-to-be-realized that Russia(!) would soon be invading from the East, is what actually stopped them. (And they tried to engineer a coup, to depose(!) the Emperor, in order to keep fighting.)

I suspect that Putin's strategy is mostly to show, "don't fsck with us, because we won't fsck around with the likes of you." And it might, so to speak, work.
 
Old 12-19-2015, 04:40 PM   #127
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Attachment 20285 Books:

'Less Than Human': The Psychology Of Cruelty

http://www.npr.org/2011/03/29/134956...ess-than-human
I raise you:

Humanity: A Moral History of the Twentieth Century
 
Old 12-19-2015, 05:20 PM   #128
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Old 12-22-2015, 02:28 PM   #129
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There is no military usefulness to a "nuclear" warhead. It absolutely poisons the land that it is dropped on, for thousands of years.

If you can't bomb a city and then occupy it, your weapon is useless.

Furthermore, our planet today has a "belt" of nuclear material, high in the ionosphere, from the nuclear explosions we've already done. There are vast regions of the Pacific surrounding the atolls where we did H-bomb tests where, to this day, nothing lives beneath the sea.

And in the case of WW2, it didn't stop the Japanese from fighting. Conventional fire-bombing of Tokyo, and the soon-to-be-realized that Russia(!) would soon be invading from the East, is what actually stopped them. (And they tried to engineer a coup, to depose(!) the Emperor, in order to keep fighting.)

I suspect that Putin's strategy is mostly to show, "don't fsck with us, because we won't fsck around with the likes of you." And it might, so to speak, work.
Its not about occupation. The Russians have a different view on achieving peace, and will go nuclear if need be. Unlike the Americans, the way Russia likes to expand it's sphere of influence is not by occupation. At least not as much.

Looking passed all the crazy events so far, this is still one massive proxy war, and it only gets more and more complex.

I think this video explains things very well, especially now between Turkey and Russia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkfGrbayVxE


Although my opinion from that video, the Russians are not worried about economic impact as others would say they would. The Russians are willing to make huge sacrifices to achieve their goals, economic sanctions against them is irrelevant; since Putin himself implied that its not about economics so much as it is a matter of principle of their actions, and in a way I don't doubt that because of the Russian mindset, they are willing to prepare for a long winter, even an economic one.
 
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I would be extremely surprised to ever see another nuclear explosion in war. Consider what happened at Chernobyl, or to Japan, both with civilian nuclear reactors. You can't contain nuclear fallout and you can never de-toxify it. In the end, you are just as mortal as any other life on this orbiting rock.
 
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Some just want to watch the world burn, no wonder the way they grow up!

Nuclear suicide bombers...

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Old 12-23-2015, 03:59 PM   #132
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When " nukes " become common to many nations and common to many individuals; they will be going off quite often!!
 
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I never believed that Lee Harvey Oswald killed John F. Kennedy!! I never believed that two planes knocked down three entire buildings in Manhattan on 9-11-01!! There are others that do not believe:

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/12/...ld-disorder-2/
 
Old 12-26-2015, 03:33 PM   #134
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.......In Putin.....I suppose I trust,...Given the alternative of nothing else.

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I never believed that Lee Harvey Oswald killed John F. Kennedy!! I never believed that two planes knocked down three entire buildings in Manhattan on 9-11-01!! There are others that do not believe:

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/12/...ld-disorder-2/
I keep finding myself back to the Russians; Putin is much more serious about combating ISIS, where as even NOW the US keeps dragging it's heals, because it is not in the US interest for any kind of stability. Chaos caused by the US, so that the US can then come in as the 'hero.' Unfortunately this Russian upstart is upstaging the US.

And of course the ever drumbeat of 'Assad must go', yet no answers as to whom will succeed him, and just under who's allegiance, and again you have the two wildcard states, Turkey and Saudi Arabia playing their own game, trying to get their cut of the carcass.




Well....considering the consequences, I've pretty much resigned myself and placed my hope that Putin will end this idiotic mess. Crazy? Well, I have yet to see someone come with a better alternative.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWhTiXozwFw
 
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