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Old 12-08-2015, 01:48 PM   #106
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"Russia warns NATO against reinforcing Turkish defences"

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/1...150500059.html


Clearly there are still some that stubbornly think that the removal of Saddam was a good thing, and is blind to what is going on now: http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/...105427673.html

Don't look at what we're doing, look at this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=338YlPveHNM

I am beginning to resign myself to fate, its not a question of if WWIII will happen, its when.
 
Old 12-08-2015, 07:28 PM   #107
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I see whats going on now in the Middle East, and the US is like a frantic child running around trying to put out different fires that soon will inevitably consume everything.
There's nothing "inevitable" about this. The decision(!) "to Go To War™" is always "a decision."

Unfortunately, it is a decision most-often made by ("dreadful few") people who stand to profit by it, at the expense of the ("dreadful many") people who will die (or be maimed) by it.

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Greeting:

Yes, you just received a draft notice, for your only daughter, calling her to be dragged into a far-away desert ... thanks to a treaty negotiated 65 years ago ...
Yes, it could happen to you ...

... Just so that some company could sell Lithium-Ion Batteries for your iPhone-(whatever ...) for five cents cheaper.

"Sounds absurdly crazy," does it not?

But, please remember: "Citizens United" effectively means that political officials are employees. "I hate to break it to ya" that these men and women no longer represent you, but ... "let's face it, why should they?" You don't seem to be someone who has $50 million dollars in their pocket, but a Profitable Corporation that (say ...) Supplies Lithium Batteries™ most certainly does.

"Petroleum. Lithium. Opium." Go ahead and spend a weekend at what's left of your local library. See for yourself just how much of the actual history of world culture, over the last three(!)-hundred-and-fifty(!) years, is not ... in fact ... directly(!) attributable to this.
 
Old 12-10-2015, 04:11 AM   #108
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Ruh-roh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvE9kSzNrXY
 
Old 12-10-2015, 02:51 PM   #109
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When 911 calls indicate 3 tall men shooting why does the media ignore those calls??http://thefreethoughtproject.com/med...ect+Newsletter
 
Old 12-11-2015, 06:52 AM   #110
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Re: "Ruh Roh"

I find it interesting, and revealing, that the Russians would, first, pilot a surfaced nuclear submarine where the press could see it, then that they would launch a multi-billion ruble cruise missile from that submarine to "hit ISIL." It was a move obviously intended for the press.

I'm beginning to perceive that "ISIL" is a palatable cover-story for something that is far, far worse: a resumption of war in Western Asia ... in other words, "World War III."

We do know that there will be an immediate resumption of the military draft in the United States, and that you, your sons and your daughters They won't be "tweeting" anymore. You won't know where they are unless you get a letter ... or ... a telegram.

But, this time, your sons and daughters might be just as desperate to learn about the state of "the folks back home," just as British and German soldiers did "last time." You see, the US (in particular) has lit and stoked a fire that it somehow believed could not burn itself. This conception is no longer founded in reality ... and all the carrier battle fleets in the universe won't change that.

For one thing, we have no idea what harm the Internet will facilitate when World War III finally breaks out "hot," and the USA (among others) is dragged into it by their old post-"II" NATO alliances. We can be certain that the enemy has been quietly collecting most-personal information (including our minute-by-minute location) and taking it god-knows-where. We have no idea how our "connected" cars might turn against us. And so on.

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Originally Posted by Sting: 'The Russians':
There's no such thing as a winnable war. It's a lie we don't believe anymore.

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Old 12-11-2015, 03:26 PM   #111
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It will only get worse if the Russians are purposefully impeded. Do not stand in their way.

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I find it interesting, and revealing, that the Russians would, first, pilot a surfaced nuclear submarine where the press could see it, then that they would launch a multi-billion ruble cruise missile from that submarine to "hit ISIL." It was a move obviously intended for the press.

I'm beginning to perceive that "ISIL" is a palatable cover-story for something that is far, far worse: a resumption of war in Western Asia ... in other words, "World War III."

We do know that there will be an immediate resumption of the military draft in the United States, and that you, your sons and your daughters They won't be "tweeting" anymore. You won't know where they are unless you get a letter ... or ... a telegram.

But, this time, your sons and daughters might be just as desperate to learn about the state of "the folks back home," just as British and German soldiers did "last time." You see, the US (in particular) has lit and stoked a fire that it somehow believed could not burn itself. This conception is no longer founded in reality ... and all the carrier battle fleets in the universe won't change that.

For one thing, we have no idea what harm the Internet will facilitate when World War III finally breaks out "hot," and the USA (among others) is dragged into it by their old post-"II" NATO alliances. We can be certain that the enemy has been quietly collecting most-personal information (including our minute-by-minute location) and taking it god-knows-where. We have no idea how our "connected" cars might turn against us. And so on.
The bigger danger that I see was this whole 'Arab spring' debacle. Kerry is still barking like a dumb chihuaha repeating the idiotic reasoning that Assad must be deposed. At this point it doesn't take a military person to see that is just another result in more chaos and potentially more territory for so-called 'IS'. Again, if keeping Assad in power prevents any more inroads by IS then I am for it. I still yet to have any one actually provide a legitimate reason at this point as to why he should not be kept as is.

If Russia is serious about combating IS, this pretty much shows it. Not so much the posturing of their hardware, but keeping Assad and obviously doing whats necessary. Again, I look to Turkey in standing in the way of this.

The US itself has done fsck all in doing anything substantial anyways, nevermind again Turkey and the Saudis (especially the Saudis, who are again most likely funding IS). Russia has been the only one so far in calling out not only the Turks but the Sauds on this, but again fsck all from the US, the British have also been rather silent.

Also Russia has been 'violating' Israeli airspace in their operations, but unlike Turkey they 'won't down any Russian aircraft' 'We are not like the Turks'. Wise move.


Source: http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Isr...r-space-435493

Whether your opinions about Putin are favorable or not, is not really an issue, nor it is mine. Again, the bear has been poked, and if the bear is going to calm things down, then again don't stand in it's way. Just saying. Israel sure isn't for good reason.

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Old 12-11-2015, 03:45 PM   #112
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKNzT78VENY


"Putin vows 'extremely tough' action on Syria threats"
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35070354
 
Old 12-11-2015, 03:53 PM   #113
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Turkey still hasn't withdrawn from Iraq: https://www.rt.com/news/325539-iraq-...asion-erdogan/

"Erdogan lies, Turkish invasion not authorized by Baghdad Iraqi MPs"


Why is Turkey even there? What is it they are trying to achieve by violating Iraq's sovereignty?

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Old 12-13-2015, 07:34 PM   #114
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Although it may be hard to comprehend a government killing its own innocent civilians; it happens throughout human history!!

http://www.globalresearch.ca/san-ber...nesses/5495126

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Old 12-14-2015, 09:02 AM   #115
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It should be no surprise that the British are "being rather silent," because they are the ones who carved-up the Ottoman Empire in the first place ... to their own advantage. The United States would like to continue to act as their successor, and to scoop up the rich natural resources that they first invaded the territory to seize (and still haven't secured).

The WikiPedia article on Ottoman Arabia, although brief, is a pretty good description of how "the united Arab state" came to be, and it is also a suggestion of some of the turmoil now. Everyone already knew that these regions were rich in "oil, opium, and lithium (and other rare minerals)," and, as WW1 was winding-down and as part of victor's-spoils immediately thereafter, the present Saudi empire was put in place.

"Before it's news" dot-com also has an interesting article: Saudi empire headed for collapse. While the headline is as sensational as usual, the content (typical of this site, which is "a web site worth watching") is not.

As the article points out, Russia has a valid point: don't try to topple a regime without having a plan for who takes over. A key problem for the United States is that, it being such a damned young country (and yet, for the moment, so powerful), it has lots of power but no real idea what to do with that power. Ever since "winning World War II" (even though, "for the most part, Russia did it"), it has blundered into one international situation after another ... losing every one, and squandering resources that it does not possess, "borrowed" on credit based on a world-currency status that's about to run out.

When the SOSUS talks, he simply expects the world to listen (and obey), because "WE'RE the United States!" But that's not universally so. These cultures, and these wars, are ancient. The United States most-decidedly is not.

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Old 12-14-2015, 11:02 AM   #116
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Old 12-14-2015, 02:30 PM   #117
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It should be no surprise that the British are "being rather silent," because they are the ones who carved-up the Ottoman Empire in the first place ... to their own advantage. The United States would like to continue to act as their successor, and to scoop up the rich natural resources that they first invaded the territory to seize (and still haven't secured).

The WikiPedia article on Ottoman Arabia, although brief, is a pretty good description of [i]how[i] "the united Arab state" came to be, and it is also a suggestion of some of the turmoil now. Everyone already knew that these regions were rich in "oil, opium, and lithium (and other rare minerals)," and, as WW1 was winding-down and as part of victor's-spoils immediately thereafter, the present Saudi empire was put in place.

"Before it's news" dot-com also has an interesting article: Saudi empire headed for collapse. While the headline is as sensational as usual, the content (typical of this site, which is "a web site worth watching") is not.

As the article points out, Russia has a valid point: don't try to topple a regime without having a plan for who takes over. A key problem for the United States is that, it being such a damned young country (and yet, for the moment, so powerful), it has lots of power but no real idea what to do with that power. Ever since "winning World War II" (even though, "for the most part, Russia did it"), it has blundered into one international situation after another ... losing every one, and squandering resources that it does not possess, "borrowed" on credit based on a world-currency status that's about to run out.

When the SOSUS talks, he simply expects the world to listen (and obey), because "WE'RE the United States!" But that's not universally so. These cultures, and these wars, are ancient. The United States most-decidedly is not.
A very good point.

Ex CIA - US has no clue what it's doing -- And this gentleman echoes what I have been saying earlier, NATO needs to review Turkey's membership, and the US needs to do the same with their relationship with Ankara now. Erdogan has clearly miscalculated.


--Edit

Saudi Arabia's oil reserves have at best 5 years
-- So I wonder what the result will be when the monarchy is no longer able to buy off the people there.

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picking the carcass clean

Turkey is now desperate from keeping the truth from coming out, but the jig is up:

Chemical agents used in Syria came from Turkey
Turkish journalists silenced by Erdogan for spreading the truth



Intermission

SO many different parties with many different interests and agendas -- how much longer until things are just ripped apart already?

US still hopes it can continue on with regime change, and instill another puppet for their own means
 
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It should be no surprise that the British are "being rather silent," because they are the ones who carved-up the Ottoman Empire in the first place ... to their own advantage. The United States would like to continue to act as their successor, and to scoop up the rich natural resources that they first invaded the territory to seize (and still haven't secured).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f215_AM5d8s

What if also the UK is trying to regain control of their former colonies by proxy?


Going back to Turkey. from another source, belated, raises the question again about Turkey buying oil from ISIS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P6IkQVD02k


--edit

So, how much deeper can we go down the rabbit hole?

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Unfortunately, the "journalistic moderator" in this particular clip simply can't shut up in his attempts to shove his own interpretations into everyone else's mouth, as in around 4:30.

The Russian who is waiting to speak at this point seems ... patient.
 
  


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