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Old 12-03-2015, 08:56 AM   #91
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Puppet masters aside!


I see the biggest problems in the world as people being taught violence can stop violence??? Sounds stupid hu!

Two fixes from my :
  1. Hundreds of years trying to teach every baby on the planet, whether there parents like science or not!
  2. Or, the other, thanks to *ions...
Irony is bliss.

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Old 12-03-2015, 09:00 AM   #92
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Fundamentally, you must remember that "there is no such thing as 'Turkey.'" It is a part of a much larger, much older thing: the Ottoman Empire.

The country that we now call "Turkey" was established in the 1920's following World War I, as the former Empire was carved-up by the victorious British after it had given its allegiance to the losing side, Germany.

Let the record show that the same events produced other countries, as well, including Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Iraq. This is important. These were formerly known as "Persia."

This partitioning was done for very familiar reasons: control of resources. Petroleum, Opium, and Minerals.

As you can see in this map from the WikiPedia article, the Ottoman Empire in its heyday (1683 ...) enveloped the central continent and extended as far north as what is now known as Russia.

All of today's world events in the region should be viewed in terms of this Empire, which in many ways still exists, and still is being fought-over by the same people for the same reasons. Britain and the other victors carved out the territories to suit their own purposes, but as Pax Brittania waned, neither it nor its allies (including the United States) can hold it. The Middle East should be remembered as, "Persia." Wars that have been fought for many centuries will not cease in the 21st.

NATO was created following World War II largely as an effort to maintain control of the partitioned regions by mutual cooperation, instead of the force of a single successor-Empire which no longer had the strength, but it is a marriage of un-equals that have been in opposition since ancient times.

Even though the USA has spread her military presence indiscriminately all around the world, it will never have the power to enforce any Pax Americana. It will only be dragged into alliances that it no longer possesses the industrial strength to win. Quietly, and especially over the last thirty years, its "trading partners" have seen to that. When the fighting comes, its industrial power is neutered and its workforce largely untrained, and thoroughly infiltrated by "guests" that it welcomed-in for no more reason than "they cost less." The USA will take an especial "drubbing" precisely because it regards defeat as inconceivable. But, it won't be the only one.

Yes, you should prepare for another Eurasian war. The forces are already on the move, but the gloves have not yet come off.

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Old 12-05-2015, 12:19 AM   #93
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The sad and worst thing about terrorism are the copy cats after the Paris attack. What the hell is wrong with this world?!!!

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Old 12-05-2015, 12:00 PM   #94
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All But Four Of The High-Profile Domestic Terrorism Plots In The Last Decade Were Crafted From The Ground Up By The FBI
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...d-up-fbi.shtml
 
Old 12-05-2015, 01:05 PM   #95
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Was it a false flag (like they all are) or how about; Is everyone OK? The "terrorists" aren't.

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Old 12-07-2015, 03:44 PM   #96
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I am beginning to side even more with Russia now.

Sorry but I am not done picking on Turkey just yet:

Turkish journalist confirms and even some from Turkish parliament also proves that unfortunately some in Turkish circles are supporting IS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlK1YpJlBpg

Turkey operating with impunity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhhP8eHwWII

It seems that also the US would rather see the world burn, if IT isn't the one responsible for 'saving the world' : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo8PwIBp6c4

So it seems that the US isn't really that serious either about fighting IS, but is willing to topple dictators only if they have something to gain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1JZeM1Waqs

So, what exactly does the US gain by ousting Assad at this point? Seriously, I don't see how Syria will be better off. Sorry but the Arab Spring was just another farce, and why would Syria be any different, if you already see what has happened from Iraq, to North Africa?

I just want to know how far the US will take this? Well, maybe I don't.
 
Old 12-07-2015, 03:59 PM   #97
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US grilled about Turkey
 
Old 12-07-2015, 04:09 PM   #98
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Question Soap box down, not the hill! ;-( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soapbox ;-)

When I see or overhear decisions of such nature; I think, do they realize the term Turkey has 74.93 million (2013) individuals?

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Old 12-07-2015, 04:30 PM   #99
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"Iraq has threatened to go to the UN if Turkey does not withdraw soldiers it sent to areas near the northern Iraqi city of Mosul within 48 hours."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35023249
 
Old 12-07-2015, 05:50 PM   #100
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US bombs Syrian army, even though they are fighting IS...hrmmmm

1:20, Kerry's idiotic stand on still removing Assad. What transition? Another transition to a failed state like Iraq and co? The US is keeps repeating this 'transition' post-Assad, but no real detail or thought out process. After Assad is gone, what KIND of transitional government will it be? Will the US allow a truly independent government? Will they tolerate a new government that doesn't automatically jump when the US says so?
 
Old 12-07-2015, 06:52 PM   #101
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Straight from the horse's mouth, the US has clearly fscked things up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKVjuUfzpUA

So, What is the solution to this big hairball now?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADL27SYBFB8
 
Old 12-07-2015, 07:30 PM   #102
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Some more interesting things that do not seem to " add up ":
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/12/06/holes/
 
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It has often been said that "the USA, in particular, has the political tact and sophistication of a blunderbuss."

The USA was founded on the eastern shore of what turned out to be a continent filled with people who lacked both firearms and an immunity to smallpox. It was too far away from Europe or anyplace-else to be attacked by anyone. (Other than its own people, against whom it rather-inexplicably engaged in a "scorched earth" policy of total war to unconditional surrender, damn near destroying itself in the process. But, I digress ...)

America profited immensely from its involvement in both World Wars, because it was still largely isolated and could (almost) enter the fray under terms of its own choosing. Its massive industrial infrastructure was beyond reach of invasion and remained so. After these two Wars, and as "Ike" Eisenhower tried to warn us, America never stopped its "military industrial complex (MIC)." It manufactured a total of ##CLASSIFIED## atomic warheads, not because these are particularly useful weapons in a military sense (they aren't), but because you could make ##CLASSIFIED## dollars manufacturing them "if you had the right connections." There is evidence of "dripping wealth" in the states that surround the District of Columbia, and all of that wealth comes from the MIC and/or the thinking that led up to it.

To these people, "all that money" means vindication, and power. Nothing is more important to these people than "war, war, and more war," because, to them, "that's where the money and power is."

Trouble is, America is finding that it cannot continue to "dictate terms to the world," as Woodrow Wilson did, and as Truman did following the death of FDR. But, it doesn't know that and won't accept that. The world is an extremely connected and extremely porous place now. Nearly eighty years of extremely bad decision-making, produced by the MIC, and a completely un-developed ability to lie persuasively ... ... have finally added-up to put the country into the one position which "it simply takes for granted" that it could not possibly be.

I think that probably the only saving grace that we have, now, is that many of these decision-makers are o-l-d. Father Time waits for no man.

And, "the rest of the world," now hyper-connected as it is, will not continue ... and should not continue ... to "take orders from the United States" as though World War II ended yesterday and the US was its strutting but largely-unharmed victor.

Unfortunately, this will not stop the Ottoman Empire from warring. (" 'There is no Peace on Earth,' I said ...") What it does do, is to bring War to the homeland of the United States "in new and creative ways" that its MIC-inbred thinking does not allow it to officially foresee, even though "any fool can see it coming."

If your "group think" is that you get to do all the talking, based on your "privileged" position in this ol' world, then you never listen. You never truly negotiate: you dictate. If your "group think" is that defeat is impossible, you do not allow the term to be used. (And, as has happened in every single military engagement the US has practiced since WW2, you are consistently ... defeated.)
 
Old 12-08-2015, 10:48 AM   #104
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I still have not seen any actual legitimate reason for removing Assad from power. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over-and-over and expecting a different outcome: So, again, Saddam was deposed, Gaddafi was next - now look at the result. How can anyone expect a different and positive outcome this time? The voice of reason at this point is Russia and Iran not the US sorry to say (well, maybe I'm not).

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Unfortunately, this will not stop the Ottoman Empire from warring. (" 'There is no Peace on Earth,' I said ...") What it does do, is to bring War to the homeland of the United States "in new and creative ways" that its MIC-inbred thinking does not allow it to officially foresee, even though "any fool can see it coming."
Erdogan would LIKE to think that he is restoring the Ottoman Empire to it's former glory, but thats not going to happen. Just like the "Empire" of Japan, the Ottoman "Empire" is just confined to the borders of modern day Turkey. I am still waiting on news to see if Turkey has heeded demands from Iraq to withdraw from it's territory since I posted that news article yesterday. Anyways, the restoration of the empire isn't going to happen and if Erdogan thinks he can just because he is in NATO and thinks he can hide behind the NATO banner whenever he keeps fscking things up, well......

Going back to the second World War, the since the rebuilding of Europe after Allied victory (keyword Allied), because the US would NOT have been able to achieve any kind of victory without Britain, the French resistance and yes the USSR though the US should would like to think it is fully responsible. Anyways since then, the US also get it in it's head that it can nation build and as sunialsvcs indicated, can dictate policy. Well the US has gone and stretched a bit too far, and it only keeps pressing it's luck.

I see whats going on now in the Middle East, and the US is like a frantic child running around trying to put out different fires that soon will inevitably consume everything.

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Old 12-08-2015, 01:08 PM   #105
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I tell people that they have to keep any of their family addicted to drugs far from them homes and families!! A drug addicts first victims are his/her friends and families!! The United States Government and its corporate partners are addicted to arms and addicted to wars; anyone near them or around them is going to suffer the consequences!! It will be a miracle if World War III is averted!!
 
  


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