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Old 11-22-2015, 09:09 AM   #46
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The titles here dawn on me: all flags are false +\- popularity. Fear\stupidity makes new godless heathens to kill other godless heathens or the poor every day, maybe oneday they'll all die out? Karmageddon!
 
Old 11-22-2015, 11:37 AM   #47
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How many of our fathers and grandfathers would have fought in WWII if they were merely told that the purpose was to defend Russia?
WWII started in 1939, when Germany invaded Poland, and Britain and France came in to support the Poles. Russia was not attacked until 1941. In fact, when WWII started Russia and Germany were still allies. Hence the purpose of the was was not to "defend Russia". In fact, the USA didn't enter the war to help anyone but themselves: Germany and Japan declared war on the USA, not the other way around.

And the moral of this is that if that's the extent of you knowledge of the history of your own country, why should we take any notice of your opinions on anything outside it (or outside Kentucky, even)?
 
Old 11-22-2015, 12:45 PM   #48
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Like the "good books" people are only interested in the history\teachings they care about, there are shelves and shelves of others! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_of_the_Spear

Last edited by jamison20000e; 11-22-2015 at 01:32 PM. Reason: \teachings !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Old 11-22-2015, 12:57 PM   #49
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WWII started in 1939, when Germany invaded Poland, and Britain and France came in to support the Poles. Russia was not attacked until 1941. In fact, when WWII started Russia and Germany were still allies. Hence the purpose of the was was not to "defend Russia". In fact, the USA didn't enter the war to help anyone but themselves: Germany and Japan declared war on the USA, not the other way around.

And the moral of this is that if that's the extent of you knowledge of the history of your own country, why should we take any notice of your opinions on anything outside it (or outside Kentucky, even)?
But when did the US enter WWII, and what was the pretext for that?
 
Old 11-22-2015, 01:08 PM   #50
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It could be argued that World War II started "When a guy called Archie Duke shot an ostrich".
Without the US I don't doubt that WWII would have gone on much, much longer so whether they went in to boost their economy or to win favours with allies like the UK or, if you really believe it, Russia I don't think it did the US any harm on the global stage. Of course, people did die and I will not suggest that they should have felt the need to make that sacrifice but the sacrifices that the US soldiers made did more than just "help Russia".
 
Old 11-22-2015, 02:56 PM   #51
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But when did the US enter WWII, and what was the pretext for that?
The US entered the war when they (amongst other nations) were attacked by Japan in the Pacific. The pretext for that was an embargo that started as embargo for aviation fuel, but later on, in a joint venture with the Netherlands and the UK, ended in an embargo of iron, oil, steel, mechanical parts and a freezing of Japanese assets. While there were negotiations between these countries and Japan the Japanese deemed the conditions as unacceptable and for many Japanese the embargo itself was seen as an unofficial declaration of war. In solidarity with Japan Germany declared war with the USA, citing as a reason American attacks on the German fleet.
 
Old 11-22-2015, 03:18 PM   #52
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Ironic going to war about war?
 
Old 11-22-2015, 04:12 PM   #53
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Ah, mankind and his addictions; food, sex, war, and in what order is not frozen into any stone!!
 
Old 11-22-2015, 04:35 PM   #54
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But when did the US enter WWII, and what was the pretext for that?
I don't even want to know what you wanted us to say. I can take a guess that you're leading into one of those "Pearl Harbor was an inside job" conspiracy theories though.

As for the actual answer, TobiSGD's is correct.

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Old 11-22-2015, 04:37 PM   #55
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I've seen the nefarious actions of government, first-hand.

My friend's brother was a witness to the downing of TWA Flight 800 (c. 1995) a UFO. I remember my friend calling me and telling me what his brother saw, and that the Feds were "coming to talk to him tonight". After the visit by the Feds, my friend's brother never spoke of what he had seen again- and he, just a kid with a minimum-wage job at the time, 2 months later, was working at a nice gov't job for $50K a year. He now works for DHS "Keeping us safe"....... (And of course, what he saw completely contradicts the "official story"- and he had the perfect vantage point, being out on a boat at the time of the incident, a few miles from where the incident UFO occurred.)
I like this version better.

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Old 11-22-2015, 05:54 PM   #56
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Ah, mankind and his addictions; food, sex, war, and in what order is not frozen into any stone!!
Don't forget computers a new means to them all... A strange older preacher would come in once in a while when I worked at a all night waffle house, like, slop burger and coffee joint (24\7-George Webb's.) He would sit and write musical notation after preaching at what was The Paradise Movie Theater for me and my parents as kids. Once he got into it passionately about how the internet was pure evil! If I could relive that moment I'd say: What's evil, can you teach me?

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Old 11-22-2015, 07:04 PM   #57
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Old 11-23-2015, 08:13 AM   #58
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IMHO, the current "lockdown" here in Brussels is scaring people even more.
We're even "instructed" to keep a low profile (read: don't tweet what you're seeing[0]) online.

[0]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34897645

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Old 11-23-2015, 10:19 AM   #59
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IMHO, the current "lockdown" here in Brussels is scaring people even more.
Not everyone, as it seems: http://cheezburger.com/685317/the-in...usselslockdown
 
Old 11-23-2015, 10:45 AM   #60
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and the boredom sets in. That's hilarious.
 
  


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