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Old 11-19-2015, 02:11 PM   #31
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The history of mankind is rife with war and killing; nothing is ever solved or resolved!! Each conflict only creates more problems and greater wars in the future!! All it takes nowadays to completely eliminate all of humanity is that " first strike " maniac achieving his/her dream of " wiping them all out "!!
 
Old 11-19-2015, 04:58 PM   #32
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Now I didn't post that just to be a smart ass, the point I am trying to make is this: Considering the situation and state that whole part of the world is in right now, as bad and as he was, so reviled and vilified - is Iraq REALLY better off now?

Nevermind also that even Syria and North Africa is in complete chaos now, how much worse will and can get when Assad is deposed? As bad as he is, I don't think you want to imagine just how worse it can get. Just saying. Feel free to flame me away all you want, but I feel this was an important point to make.
Pretty much my view on all this.

I would add that the real reason for the war in Iraq was not that Saddam Hussein was a tyrannical dictator (even though he was, I don't deny this), and it certainly was not the "weapons of mass destruction", as it's more than clear now. The real reason is, despite being many bad things, Saddam Hussein was a nationalist and had an independent international policy (i.e., not dictated by US government). Besides, Iraq is (was?) one of the main oil producers in the world and Hussein was planning to use another currency different than dollar for oil exports. It's pretty much the same with Libya and Syria; both are (was, in the case of Libya) oil producers with political interests that are contrary to the US establishment.

I know that for many people in western countries it's hard to understand many things about the current situation in the Middle East (and in some other places like Latin America, for example), but I think it's quite suspicious that, despite being ISIS the real danger to the Middle East and Europe, the US government seems to be more concerned about overthrowing Al Assad than fighting ISIS or trying to contain them in some way. Even if Al Assad is fighting them. It's also VERY suspicious that ISIS is destroying Syria, precisely (i.e., the country which president the US government is obsessed to overthrow no matter what). It's also VERY suspicious that in one or two years of US involvement in Syria, ISIS have become stronger and have gotten to control a huge part of the country... So, at the very least, one might think that the US government is simply doing nothing to contain them and is just letting them get the control of the country because they're more worried about overthrowing Al Assad. ("The enemy of my enemy is my friend").

Something else, one of the excuses the US government use to attack other governments they don't like is the "human rights". If this is true, then why don't they try a regime change in Saudi Arabia (which, as I said before, has a medieval policy regarding human rights)? Why don't they try to impose a democracy there as they're trying in Syria now? The answer is Saudi Arabia is their ally and does whatever they tell them to do.

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Old 11-19-2015, 05:12 PM   #33
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It seems that the intelligence agency is using encryption as the scape-goat when they failed to prevent the Paris attacks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slywu3shXD8

In my option, they think that removing all privacy from everyone is going to prevent all future attacks. The intelligence agency don't realize that their plan has a bug. The bug is someone will find ways to avoid being monitored.

I wish they would stop blaming encryption for their failures. Saving face must be a full time job for them.

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Old 11-19-2015, 06:34 PM   #34
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No one needs to use encryption, or the Internet, to achieve secret communications. The memory-chip from a USB stick can be removed and concealed beneath a postage stamp. Or, anywhere in clothing or luggage. Or in the cardboard of a box. Or ...

If we're going to be content to use an international data-network in which everything is connected to everything else, we need stronger cryptographic protection ... not just algorithms but the whole shinola ... and it should be part of the recognized mission of the National Security Agency to provide that to the public. (As they in fact did, with their contributions to the original DES.) We need better ways to ensure that the two parties actually recognize each other and that messages are actually received as-tendered. NSA receives #CLASSIFIED# dollars every #CLASSIFIED# from ... the public.

If we are paying their salaries, "the spooks" should not be the only ones who get the goods.

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Old 11-19-2015, 07:01 PM   #35
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No one needs to use encryption, or the Internet, to achieve secret communications. The memory-chip from a USB stick can be removed and concealed beneath a postage stamp. Or, anywhere in clothing or luggage. Or in the cardboard of a box. Or ...

If we're going to be content to use an international data-network in which everything is connected to everything else, we need stronger cryptographic protection ... not just algorithms but the whole shinola ... and it should be part of the recognized mission of the National Security Agency to provide that to the public. (As they in fact did, with their contributions to the original DES.) We need better ways to ensure that the two parties actually recognize each other and that messages are actually received as-tendered. NSA receives #CLASSIFIED# dollars every #CLASSIFIED# from ... the public.

If we are paying their salaries, "the spooks" should not be the only ones who get the goods.
These government agencies are pretty-much proven to produce things like the Clipper Chip. Government-approved encryption does not have a good track record.
The "spooks" over here have, recently, made some suggestions regarding password choice -- funnily enough those who work for the government can't follow the advice and those who don't either know about it or won't listen.
 
Old 11-20-2015, 04:13 AM   #36
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I ran across another relevant article today " The Past was Prelude "

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/11/...s/truth-paris/
 
Old 11-20-2015, 11:08 AM   #37
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Yep- my first thought upon seeing any "terror attack" is "false flag". And I can't help but thinking of the George Orwell nover '1984', in which the people were content to live in a tyrannical state which "protected" them from the other tyrannical states and various insurgents with whom the state was constantly at war with. - Or for that matter, of Hitler's Germany, in which the Jews (and any others who were opposed to Nazi-statism) were villified as "terrorists".

Really, throughout history since ancient times, it's been something that has been employed by many, many nations, to inspire "patriotism" and to get the citizenry to kill and be killed for the nefarious purposes of politicians and bankers- just make something bad happen and blame it on the people whom you want to erradicate or subjugate- works virtually every time.

How many of our fathers and grandfathers would have fought in WWII if they were merely told that the purpose was to defend Russia?

The majority will always trade liberty for perceived safety. Where there is no threat to safety, it is manufactured. Much like paying "protection money" to the Mafia or the school bully- the ones "protecting" you, are the real threats.
 
Old 11-20-2015, 01:06 PM   #38
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Another article I just ran across:

http://www.activistpost.com/2015/11/...9366-156523949
 
Old 11-20-2015, 01:26 PM   #39
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I've seen the nefarious actions of government, first-hand.

My friend's brother was a witness to the downing of TWA Flight 800 (c. 1995). I remember my friend calling me and telling me what his brother saw, and that the Feds were "coming to talk to him tonight". After the visit by the Feds, my friend's brother never spoke of what he had seen again- and he, just a kid with a minimum-wage job at the time, 2 months later, was working at a nice gov't job for $50K a year. He now works for DHS "Keeping us safe"....... (And of course, what he saw completely contradicts the "official story"- and he had the perfect vantage point, being out on a boat at the time of the incident, a few miles from where the incident occurred.)
 
Old 11-21-2015, 03:11 PM   #40
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https://www.schneier.com/blog/archiv...terrorist.html
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archiv...attacks_b.html

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Old 11-21-2015, 07:12 PM   #41
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Bigger gates and bigger"\smarter" bombs that should fix things! Oh wait how about we teach\feed globally?!. more than likely because we vote for people not good.

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Old 11-21-2015, 08:37 PM   #42
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This is my first visit back to this thread in several days and I see that it did, indeed, go down the rabbit hole, so, just in the spirit of deviltry, I'll suggest a new rabbit hole.

The thing that always amazes me about folks who fly the "false flag" flag is this: The same folks who are convinced that the guv'mint can't do anything right are also convinced that it can orchestrate surreptitious conspiracies involving hundreds, if not thousands of persons, over a vast geographical area for a duration of many, many years without a single leak.

As Julie Newmar used to say, "That does not compute."
 
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We don't want to be responsible for killing insistent life's but you are more than me.

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Red face

I was lucky enough to have Asthma at the ripe young age when army recruiters were hitting us up still too dumb to drink, as if any age is good for poison! And again I've never voted; so-many paths to take, only making one will work.
 
Old 11-22-2015, 06:42 AM   #45
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As my neighbor is always saying " It's always about the money and the oil!! "

Another interesting website for your perusal: http://humansarefree.com/
 
  


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